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DisgustipatedinCA

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6. did you think this up all on your own, or is it the faxed talking point du jour?

Reply to banned from Kos (Original post)

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:25 PM

Jan 2013

Regarding each of your points:

1. Gun bans, proposed gun bans, and gun legislation do not come from a need to control others. You'll need to present some evidence for your claim.
2. Children (the living, non-zygote ones) are innocent. What's in dispute here?
3. What you're calling "intrusive government" is what we call "government". There's a reason to have government around, at least if you're a liberal.
4. There's no sense of moral high ground. There IS a moral high ground, and it's occupied, in this instance, by those who are sick of seeing people slaughtered on an everyday basis because people like you caterwaul about your darned gun rights. I've heard a lot more from gunlovers in the last month than I have from the parents of Newtown victims. You're goddamned right there's a moral high ground, and you're welcome to step on up whenever you're ready.

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Gun bans and abortion bans - a remarkable Puritanical similarity [View all] banned from Kos Jan 2013 OP

Well said!! montanto Jan 2013 #1

You're kidding right? bowens43 Jan 2013 #63

100% AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #68

yep.. pipoman Jan 2013 #2

nope bowens43 Jan 2013 #64

the two don't equate at all. A woman's right is 1st amend. A gun takes that away graham4anything Jan 2013 #3

Please cite the words from the 1st supporting "A woman's right is 1st amend." Thanks jody Jan 2013 #5

so one should have shoulder to air missles? graham4anything Jan 2013 #7

Hell' why not go with the nuclear bomb theory former-republican Jan 2013 #9

a gun violates everyones first amendment rights ask Dr. Tiller graham4anything Jan 2013 #23

No, actually, only government can violate one's first amendment rights.. pipoman Jan 2013 #45

ask Dr. Tiller who would love to respond to your question ...also ask the following ... graham4anything Jan 2013 #48

Oh the hyperbole is thick, my my.. pipoman Jan 2013 #59

they can't speak for themselves as a gun took their 1st amendment away enmasse graham4anything Jan 2013 #65

You are speaking for the "children"? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #71

the OP is 100% incorrect. graham4anything Jan 2013 #73

Obviously not. And your fiction that firearms are "WMDs" is obviously a fiction. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #81

ROFL pipoman Jan 2013 #90

I thought you were off base there, but see you are looking at the intent and effects. Good. freshwest Jan 2013 #52

Please cite the words from the 1st supporting "A woman's right is 1st amend." nt jody Jan 2013 #10

Thomas Jefferson said all men are created equal. What about Blacks and Women? graham4anything Jan 2013 #13

. former-republican Jan 2013 #19

Never take more than three words to say "I don't know" and that was your correct answer to my jody Jan 2013 #21

I stand by what I said. Ask a person in Kansas about Dr. Tiller, a wonderful patriot who was graham4anything Jan 2013 #25

Roe v. Wade is a 14th Amendment issue.. pipoman Jan 2013 #26

wrongo. Dr. Tiller's being silenced has everything to do with the 1st amendment graham4anything Jan 2013 #29

LOL pipoman Jan 2013 #51

The zealots never cease to amuse ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #87

Whew..holy cow.. pipoman Jan 2013 #89

SCOTUS disagrees with you ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #67

We already have the intrusive government Fumesucker Jan 2013 #4

Yup Recursion Jan 2013 #56

did you think this up all on your own, or is it the faxed talking point du jour? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #6

A gun ban (not comprehensive background checks) banned from Kos Jan 2013 #18

Guns are weapons of mass destruction. Anything is acceptable imho to rid the streets of WMDs graham4anything Jan 2013 #50

"WMDs"? Are you one of those, after the 9/11 attack by Saudis, thought that there were WMDs in Iraq AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #74

What does Iraq have to do with WMDs? Guns ARE WMDs. graham4anything Jan 2013 #76

See. Even you get it. Just because someone says that there are "WMDs" to further their AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #79

guns are WMDs and should be treated as such. Anything goes as Cole Porter wrote graham4anything Jan 2013 #80

If honesty matters, it is wrong to say "anything goes." Firearms are not "WMDs." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #94

yes they are, no matter how much you deny it. WMD=weapons, destruction, en masse=akaGuns graham4anything Jan 2013 #109

words matter DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #53

Actually, they got it from *me*; see these posts from April & May, 2012: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #61

they don't equate because one involves PRIVATE MEDICAL DECISIONS. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #8

Both are constitutionally protected rights... so the Supreme Court seems them the same way. davidn3600 Jan 2013 #12

Hmm...maybe better said "...learn to die with it"? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #36

False equivalence indeed! eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2013 #11

Gun Control = Hitler. Nice Drudge-ery. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #14

Ban them all Veridicus Jan 2013 #15

"everyone has access to a cop when needed" Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #22

About what? Veridicus Jan 2013 #27

Oh, sorry...nothing to do with him. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #42

I see it now Veridicus Jan 2013 #49

That's an interesting theory. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #54

"no one needs to hunt anymore with a grocery store within walking distance of anyone." beevul Jan 2013 #103

I too am pro-choice on both issues slackmaster Jan 2013 #16

Tell that to all the countries that have vastly less gun violence than we do dsc Jan 2013 #17

Agree there rightsideout Jan 2013 #38

It isn't complicated dsc Jan 2013 #39

You, of course, left out Switzerland. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #75

funny you mention Switerland dsc Jan 2013 #93

Rubbish. ellisonz Jan 2013 #20

It's really too bad for gun enthusiasts that they have not more strongly stood up for other rights Fumesucker Jan 2013 #24

Did you miss my "I am a radical liberal" thread? banned from Kos Jan 2013 #32

The NRA supports none of those things, mostly supports Republicans Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40

What? I don't give a fuck about the NRA. banned from Kos Jan 2013 #58

Not trying to be insulting, just telling you what I see Fumesucker Jan 2013 #70

Meh. And I am richer than bill gates. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #95

Funny, some have - and been yelling for years about lack of choices/freedoms The Straight Story Jan 2013 #34

^Same here, Straight Story ^ Mimosa Jan 2013 #57

Agree! nt Budgies Revenge Jan 2013 #83

Fumesucker you mix lots of things. I personally know thousands of pro-RKBA folks and all of them jody Jan 2013 #37

You say that like it's a bad thing... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #60

I speak & vote for myself. I help Democratic candidates campaign and I've had many LTTE published jody Jan 2013 #66

I live in a gun mecca, seriously Fumesucker Jan 2013 #85

"Gun enthusiasts as a whole are now represented in the public mind by the NRA, ..." 1) No. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #78

Except that having an abortion doesn't threaten everyone else's lives. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #28

Zimmerman Zimmerman Zimmerman graham4anything Jan 2013 #30

The RBKA extremists are hanging on to any strawbranch they can MightyMopar Jan 2013 #33

What about him? (n/t) derby378 Jan 2013 #91

bill outlawing guns in the street, it should named in Mr.Trayvon Martin's memory graham4anything Jan 2013 #110

Both are and can be regulated. earthside Jan 2013 #31

Senator Feinstein said �If I could�ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an jody Jan 2013 #44

She was referring only to 'assault weapons' .... earthside Jan 2013 #77

"We have banned civilian ownership of all fully automatic weapons" - No, we haven't. beevul Jan 2013 #105

Just bullfuckingshit. For you to equate the right of a woman to control her body, MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #35

I am NOT equating a woman with a gun! banned from Kos Jan 2013 #43

conflating a medical procedure with a consumer decision is rather convenient LanternWaste Jan 2013 #82

"I am equating a woman who makes a private decision with a citizen who decides to own a gun" MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #88

The OP is reaching nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #97

+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #69

Least persuasive talking point... Ever ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #41

There is no similarity etherealtruth Jan 2013 #46

Wow - so now banning guns is a rigid religious & moral issue? jmg257 Jan 2013 #47

Um, no gollygee Jan 2013 #55

Possibly the dumbest pro gun argument I have ever seen. bowens43 Jan 2013 #62

Last time I checked, abortion was 100% legal in most countries with strict gun control, Chorophyll Jan 2013 #72

There are many similarities, to be sure. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #84

Stunning...and this goes after all the false equivalence s we have seen nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #86

read points 1-4 please. banned from Kos Jan 2013 #92

Wow, kudos. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #96

I can see why you were banned from Kos. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #98

+1 ellisonz Jan 2013 #111

Yet another NRA false equivalence billh58 Jan 2013 #99

Now I know where you got this precious turd... nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #100

but common sense, regulations, and rules do work samsingh Jan 2013 #101

Didn't the Puritans have guns? thucythucy Jan 2013 #102

Stupid, stupid, stupid argument. morningfog Jan 2013 #104

Oh bullshit ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #106

So.....you like Rush Limbaugh's talking points? jeff47 Jan 2013 #107

They are pretty similar, authoritarians. Big Brother government. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #108

. Rex Jan 2013 #112

Seat belts too. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #113

Different issues. ljm2002 Jan 2013 #114