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Occulus

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49. No, the POINT is that he still apparently thinks "both sides" should have "equal time",

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 08:00 PM

Jan 2013

even when one side is and has always been pure poison.

As a gay man who still cannot get married in his home state, and who is apparently ineligible for inclusion under the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution "because christians", I'm very deeply troubled by this.

Frankly, this very nearly makes me regret casting my second vote for him.

"But Romney!"

But nothing. This is wrong, but because Obama is a christian, people are making excuses. Again.

They're wrong, too. Not to mention immoral, judgmental, unethical, inhuman, and thus very very unchristian.

My observation is that this behavior is typical of the faith in general regarding this specific topic. Note my lack of surprise, considering that this attitude is part of the actual text of this mob's holy book.

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Obama Taps Anti-Gay Preacher for Inaugural Benediction (with Shocking Quotes) [View all] Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 OP

Well, folks, I promise when you elect ME President, there wont be any "benediction" at all. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #1

No benediction from me, either MurrayDelph Jan 2013 #2

You've got my vote. Brickbat Jan 2013 #21

Woohoo! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

Totally. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #38

I would swear on a copy of The Age of Reason Major Nikon Jan 2013 #87

As long as the president supports gay marriage, I don't care. Not everyone has the same views. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #3

I think its lame, myself. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #5

What makes you think they havent been vet'ed? nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #121

vetted for bigotry? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #122

No, the POINT is that he still apparently thinks "both sides" should have "equal time", Occulus Jan 2013 #49

+1000 TDale313 Jan 2013 #102

It'd be like LBJ having a sky-pilot from Bob Jones U. do the invocation at the 1965 inaugural. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #115

The pastor is no longer in the program. The president has made vocal statements in support of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #170

If he's not personally homophobic Occulus Jan 2013 #181

I'm beginning to think that Joe Biden's statement amandabeech Jan 2013 #182

O.K., here's how I will explain that, and this is my last word on the subject... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #191

Would you feel the same way if he were a racist? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #58

It's not cool, for sure. But there's a difference between racist and anti-gay statements.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #90

Not much of a difference. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #95

No, I'm speaking factually. As a matter of fact, most religions follow their religious books... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #97

Seriously... DURHAM D Jan 2013 #100

I'm not saying that I myself think that. A person's faith is not a fairy tale. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #104

Until 1978, The LDS Church believed that being Black WAS a mark of sin. nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #113

But not any more, right? I'm not talking about forever through history in the past. We're speaking Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #116

See my post #119. I think I might have an idea about why Obama gets into tblue37 Jan 2013 #120

Of course the same books say it is a sin and capital offense for a women to question a man. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #142

The Bible and other books are used to rationalize all forms of bigotry. The 'Curse of Cain' has oft Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #152

Sorry, but your awareness is rather limited. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #174

I like Obama a lot, but some of his choices leave me absolutely flummoxed. nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #112

FUCK THAT SHIT dbackjon Jan 2013 #155

"of all religions?" Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #173

Yes, but I'm tired of people comparing race to sexual orientation. Two different things. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #161

Would you have any problem if the President chose someone who was anti-African American? sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #123

Of course I would. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #160

So you would be ok with a White Power Church minister speakin? dbackjon Jan 2013 #154

What! I thought this was a joke...but, then realized it was serious from the quote. KoKo Jan 2013 #4

I don't know why President Obama has to keep doing this. yardwork Jan 2013 #6

Those are my sentiments Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #19

Perhaps he simply enjoys gay punching? DURHAM D Jan 2013 #36

Re your last sentence. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #130

agreed -- me too obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #135

Me neither. I didn't watch the one in 2009 and I won't watch this one. yardwork Jan 2013 #144

I guess someone did not do a very good job at vetting this guy. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #7

That was the flimsy excuse *last* time kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #10

Well people can draw feel how they want about it. I am not happy about this. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #11

Unfortunately, I think that this choice was deliberate, just like last time. yardwork Jan 2013 #56

I had no idea that Jarrett said that. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #71

She did. Link below from Fox News: yardwork Jan 2013 #72

I doubt that was a slip of the tongue as she tried to play it off. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #74

We did speak up, and that's why Obama "evolved" on the issue of equal marriage. yardwork Jan 2013 #75

You make a good point. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #76

Obama 'evolved' because he was told major donors were going to tell him to fuck off at Clooney's Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #143

I forgot about that. So was it... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #159

And don't forget Obama selected Cardinal Dolan DURHAM D Jan 2013 #84

Yes. I had forgotten that. These are deliberate appeals to homophobes. yardwork Jan 2013 #98

I don't think he is trying to appeal to homophobes. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #101

I tend to agree with you on this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #136

I see both of your points. yardwork Jan 2013 #145

Maybe they figured they'd appeal to the Mean Nasty Right in one fell swoop with this guy. MADem Jan 2013 #127

SSDY Maven Jan 2013 #8

Hmmmmph. xchrom Jan 2013 #9

I don't like it, either. But, I do like that Richard Blanco Cha Jan 2013 #12

+1 octoberlib Jan 2013 #18

And the Asshole in question will share the stage with these two Patriots. msanthrope Jan 2013 #26

People should ask themselves why Homer had Odysseus, when given a choice between doing patrice Jan 2013 #46

Sad...it will go over heads of many who have little time or other agendas..but yeah KoKo Jan 2013 #50

True poets are pretty magical, so here's to hope! patrice Jan 2013 #57

Thank you, patrice, for the Greek Mythology lesson.. I will not let Cha Jan 2013 #99

How considerate of you on my behalf. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #103

It's not on your behalf, obviously, I'm speaking for myself. Cha Jan 2013 #109

The Greeks were our intellectual ancestors. Aristotle who wrote a book about Logic patrice Jan 2013 #107

Beautiful! And, now we have Richard Blanco as the Inaugural Poet Cha Jan 2013 #114

Did we learn nothing from last time? Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #13

It's not reachy-outy. It's called making the Right scream and shit purple. msanthrope Jan 2013 #25

so he's a young bigot dlwickham Jan 2013 #31

He's a "Commercial Christian"---an insult to established religion. msanthrope Jan 2013 #33

He and his Church are Baptist. Largest denomiation in mainstream American religion. Sorry. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #146

++1 Eyes on the prize = the end of DOMA & the party OUGHT to trot Bill Clinton out for that one. nt patrice Jan 2013 #32

Not just eyes on the prize...go make them eat one of their own....nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #35

Afterall, it's NO secret where PO's base is on all of this. This keeps us IN the news-cycle . . . patrice Jan 2013 #45

And the gay youth of the nation FreeState Jan 2013 #34

Yeah--I'm guessing the gay youth of this nation will take away the poetry of Richard Blanco, and msanthrope Jan 2013 #37

Nope as a gay man I can assure you FreeState Jan 2013 #40

As well might those of their number who had such aspirations and didn't make it, a fact that I can patrice Jan 2013 #63

Oh yeah? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #66

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #138

"So when you ask an asshole like that to give the benediction, what are you doing?" Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #14

wtf? *why*? at least in rick warren's case, he was well-known & had a best-selling book, so you HiPointDem Jan 2013 #15

didn't the Obama administration learn anything from the Rick Warren fiasco? Terra Alta Jan 2013 #16

They learned they could dis the LGBT community and get away with it. nt hay rick Jan 2013 #68

Glad to see the course correction. nt hay rick Jan 2013 #163

This is like bringing Heinrich Himmler as a guest to a Bar Mitzvah. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #17

IT'S ONLY A 2 MINUTE BENEDICTION THINGY !!!1111 leftstreet Jan 2013 #20

and? dlwickham Jan 2013 #29

That was the justification last time around leftstreet Jan 2013 #52

okay dlwickham Jan 2013 #91

I'm a Christian...his remarks are offensive to me! Obama should NEVER have KoKo Jan 2013 #62

Did you mean to respond to me, or the OP? leftstreet Jan 2013 #64

I am so angry, sad, distraught...that I don't know who I replied to...just it is. KoKo Jan 2013 #69

... leftstreet Jan 2013 #70

I wonder whether Obama even pays attention to stuff like this, though. tblue37 Jan 2013 #119

If the team is that careless they should historylovr Jan 2013 #133

Your post is excellent! amandabeech Jan 2013 #185

We Christians get lumped into those Extemists on the Right, so much... KoKo Jan 2013 #189

The President's Golf Game Must Be Improving... Because THIS... Is Par For The Course... WillyT Jan 2013 #22

I'm so, SO sick of this shit. Brickbat Jan 2013 #23

What an insufferable bigot. HOW could Obama choose him?!? forestpath Jan 2013 #27

figured as much dlwickham Jan 2013 #28

He's only going to sing one song! n/t QC Jan 2013 #30

And? This is like inviting Wayne LaPierre to speak at a mass shooting memorial Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #54

Obama is the true Christian in this story. spanone Jan 2013 #39

Oh? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #60

But Jesus called the 'Christ' said never swear any form of oath, said never ever pray in public Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #148

But I just read somewhere that Metger Ever's wife is doing the prayer...first woman n/t Turn CO Blue Jan 2013 #41

She's doing opening prayer SpartanDem Jan 2013 #51

A disappointing choice. It is like saying Riley18 Jan 2013 #42

WTF. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #43

ix-Nay iglio-Gay !!! n/t agracie Jan 2013 #44

Why? What's the point of this Politicub Jan 2013 #47

heh. and the same ol' lame justifications reappear... KG Jan 2013 #48

Really does not make sense. Why not choose David duke. Really do not understand the wisdom of this still_one Jan 2013 #53

I'm bursting with pride! Obama is truly the President of ALL AMERICANS. MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #55

I imagine it's exhausting Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #61

Cabinet positions outsourced to Wall Street Banks who are corporate people? MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #67

Well, Third Way Manny...might be good that he isn't telling Jews to Go to Hell... KoKo Jan 2013 #78

(((Hugs))) idwiyo Jan 2013 #82

Cheer up, Manny. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #131

This is repulsive. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #59

you gave away the surprise halftime show Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #73

So, what's the excuse/brilliant strategy this time? idwiyo Jan 2013 #65

The Usual Crowd will be quiet tonight MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #79

Already started just look up the thread. idwiyo Jan 2013 #81

How COULD he?! I didn't think it was possible to get one worse than Rick Warren! MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #77

The Whitehouse just got a letter from me DonRedwood Jan 2013 #80

Me Too otohara Jan 2013 #83

Kick for the Diappointed who Expected Better! KoKo Jan 2013 #85

Are there any mega pastors out there who aren't hateful douchebags? Initech Jan 2013 #86

There are SO MANY to CHOOSE FROM... Must have been his Handlers? ya' think? KoKo Jan 2013 #108

What strikes me as funny is that if this "preacher" Volaris Jan 2013 #88

I'm sick of bigots like this getting validation of their hate filled rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2013 #89

A thought just occured to me... Volaris Jan 2013 #164

jfc obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #93

Does jfc = Jubilee Fellowship Church? DURHAM D Jan 2013 #96

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #110

Me too. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #118

yup obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #137

Deja vu all over again. Once again 'our' President delivers a big Fuck You to the rest of us. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #94

This is just fuckin' wrong!!! n/t TDale313 Jan 2013 #105

Have his views changed since the mid 1990s? Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #106

What is it with this guy and gay-hating preachers? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #111

Hey everybody... Louies coming to the inauguration. And he's gonna dip his balls in stuff.... Erose999 Jan 2013 #140

"taps" not being the operative word, I hope... Skip Intro Jan 2013 #117

/sigh cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #124

And so I won't watch this inauguration either Marrah_G Jan 2013 #125

He should stop doing this. JVS Jan 2013 #126

His second term hasn't even started and the outrage list is already getting long Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #128

Really?! WTF?! Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #129

Awful choice. Dump the chump. JohnnyLib2 Jan 2013 #132

What a terrible choice. historylovr Jan 2013 #134

On behalf of everyone who has been traumatized and damaged by "Ex-Gay" therapy and fucking religious Erose999 Jan 2013 #139

Not surprising Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #141

This seems to happen way more often than it should. n/t hughee99 Jan 2013 #147

Giglio has been dropped from the program brooklynite Jan 2013 #149

He has now been dumped. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #150

I expected this. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #151

Of course no president has done more for gay rights in this country WI_DEM Jan 2013 #153

Who are "some people"? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #157

Ohhhh Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #156

passion city sounds like an adult book store.. frylock Jan 2013 #158

Will those of you trashing the president now apologize? The pastor has been removed from the program Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #162

Why stop there? Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #166

Why not? I didn't get my pony yet. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #167

Why should I apologize? dbackjon Jan 2013 #168

Like hell I will. Your president should be the one apologising to LGBTQ community. idwiyo Jan 2013 #171

For what? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #178

Donnie McClurkin, Rick Warren, cardinal Dolan, Louis Giglio idwiyo Jan 2013 #179

For twice picking bigots with extreme views regarding our citizens for the Inauguration Marrah_G Jan 2013 #184

Look, here's how I feel about this: There have been Democrats who have made bigoted comments Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #190

I find your views in this matter to be extremely distasteful Marrah_G Jan 2013 #196

Sorry you feel that way but I'm standing my what I believe. You call it bigotry. Fine. That's on you Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #197

are you for FUCKING real? the pastor REMOVED HIMSELF from the program. boilerbabe Jan 2013 #172

Seems I read the pastor withdrew on his own Marrah_G Jan 2013 #183

Maybe, just maybe the president believes that by having Warren up there, sitting alongside Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #192

1. "trashing"? MNBrewer Jan 2013 #186

The defenders in this thread once again prove whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #165

Yup! dbackjon Jan 2013 #169

Very, very well said, thank you. nt Zorra Jan 2013 #175

+1 idwiyo Jan 2013 #177

That's it. yardwork Jan 2013 #188

Do "our" guys ever get a single moment in Obama's sun? RedCloud Jan 2013 #176

How can this be? bvar22 Jan 2013 #180

He withdrew ....here's the link. Doesn't make the whole thing smell better, though. KoKo Jan 2013 #187

Rick Warren, Part 2: The Sequel blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #193

Why are so many of you who believe in diversity so petty? underthematrix Jan 2013 #194

Petty, really? Marrah_G Jan 2013 #195