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eridani

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81. Odd, but you are the one who simply blathers nonsense about obesity without references

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 10:10 PM

Jan 2013

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100128091740.htm
Adults aged over 70 years who are classified as overweight are less likely to die over a ten year period than adults who are in the 'normal' weight range, according to a new study published in the Journal of The American Geriatrics Society.

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1380
While obesity is a health risk for many diseases such as osteoarthritis and uterine cancer, being overweight does confer some protection against osteoporosis in postmenopausal women. This is because the fat cells produce estrone, a type of estrogen, through conversion of the adrenal hormone androstenedione. This type of estrogen does provide some support for the bones once the ovarian source of estrogen has dwindled.

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Telling people being obese isn't unhealthy--not productive [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 OP

true BainsBane Jan 2013 #1

How do you feel about the recent study that says overweight people live longer? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #2

I think it should be taken with a pound of salt Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #3

Sure--people who make big bux from the weight loss industry don't approve eridani Jan 2013 #4

Please read my article. I read yours. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #5

The statistical effect even there is quite small eridani Jan 2013 #7

I used to tell my husband who was 6 ft 145 lbs notadmblnd Jan 2013 #35

I'm so sorry liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #51

One of the things he told me when he found out he needed a new heart notadmblnd Jan 2013 #67

I'm so sorry for your loss, notadmblnd Viva_La_Revolution Jan 2013 #65

Lol. that is funny notadmblnd Jan 2013 #66

You are misrepresenting the study adigal Jan 2013 #54

And the fast food makers approve of the study Confusious Jan 2013 #6

Guess what? People who aren't fat eat fast food too n/t eridani Jan 2013 #8

Sorry, This is about your "weight loss industry" bullshit argument, nothing else. nt Confusious Jan 2013 #9

They get billions yearly producing no significant results eridani Jan 2013 #10

And fast food kills people every year Confusious Jan 2013 #12

The metastudy happened to be a summary of about 100 different studies eridani Jan 2013 #13

Like I said, to you it's the second coming Confusious Jan 2013 #14

There is no obesity problem eridani Jan 2013 #17

You're playing word games Confusious Jan 2013 #32

Sure it is, at least in some respects eridani Jan 2013 #68

That all depends if "fat women" get to an age where that can happen Confusious Jan 2013 #76

Odd, but you are the one who simply blathers nonsense about obesity without references eridani Jan 2013 #81

fat women are far less likely to have that happen. Confusious Jan 2013 #82

Far less likely means that at a plump age 66, I have the bone density of a healthy 26 year old eridani Jan 2013 #85

First, you're confusing two studies. Your first link is about an earlier study that came to similar HiPointDem Jan 2013 #21

You are correct, I did screw up the two Confusious Jan 2013 #27

yes, there's a lot of criticism -- about the same amount that the earlier height/weight tables got. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #31

I didn't cite it out of ignorance Confusious Jan 2013 #34

because bmi *isn't* "crap". If you are doing a study about weight, BMI is what you use. It's HiPointDem Jan 2013 #37

How do you know your stepmother died of "overweight"? adigal Jan 2013 #62

Being overweight does not cause diabetes. Genetic insulin resistance causes overweight eridani Jan 2013 #69

Really? got a link to a study Confusious Jan 2013 #74

Thin people mostly have Type I diabetes--being thin is one of its side effects. eridani Jan 2013 #80

Well thanks for all the info, but that's not what was asked Confusious Jan 2013 #83

And you got the link demonstrating that a single protein determines whether you get Type II or not eridani Jan 2013 #86

Because her mother is 95 and still alive Confusious Jan 2013 #73

Paul Campos has written a lot about this issue duffyduff Jan 2013 #60

Prove that "fat" people gorge themselves on fast food--you can't, that's why duffyduff Jan 2013 #58

More straw men Confusious Jan 2013 #72

It's isn't bullshit, but medical quackery is being spewed here duffyduff Jan 2013 #57

Sorry, it is a bullshit argument Confusious Jan 2013 #71

I love Big Macs Aerows Jan 2013 #43

I maintained 5'-11" 150lbs for about 25 years, drank about 6 Dr. Pepper's per day. tridim Jan 2013 #64

I'm 5'3" Aerows Jan 2013 #70

I don't have weight problems myself Confusious Jan 2013 #75

Weight loss industry = quackery duffyduff Jan 2013 #55

I hate January liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #59

"this study" is a meta-analysis of nearly 100 studies with over a million subjects. And it was HiPointDem Jan 2013 #15

As should your post. Again, 20 pounds? Iris Jan 2013 #40

Slightly overweight people may live longer. Obese people do not. reformist2 Jan 2013 #20

the science says otherwise; that moderately obese people do, in fact, have a decreased HiPointDem Jan 2013 #22

Moderately obese people have shorter lifespans as well. reformist2 Jan 2013 #24

BMI 18.5 is 'normal weight' & has the same risk in your chart as bmi 33, 'moderately obese'. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #25

Anything under 20 is underweight and is also unhealthy. Few people argue that 18 is a good BMI. reformist2 Jan 2013 #28

actually, generally accepted clinical standard is 18.5-25 = normal weight. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #33

I also think we need to recognize the difference aaaaaa5a Jan 2013 #36

That study was referring to people just a few lbs overweight. Not obese (30% over ideal wt). Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #84

Obesity is neither healthy nor unhealthy eridani Jan 2013 #11

bingo! liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #48

The science says otherwise. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #16

So what is productive about telling people they are obese? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #18

I have a friend who lost about 100 lbs, going from weighing 385 to weighing 285 eridani Jan 2013 #19

exactly. that's the point liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #53

Excellent post. redqueen Jan 2013 #61

Yes, the "let's shame them out of it" customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #26

Providing information saying certain weight thresholds Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #41

Yeah, sounds like the same bullshit customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #77

And telling them 20 pounds makes them obese? Iris Jan 2013 #39

It's just easier get the red out Jan 2013 #23

Are you a doctor? lunatica Jan 2013 #29

Very few people have any place telling someone about their weight gollygee Jan 2013 #30

I'm not commenting on your weight or any individual's weight. Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #42

More than 20 lbs? Just 20 lbs? That's hardly obese. Iris Jan 2013 #38

According to Mayo, a person can have normal BMI and be obese Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #45

that's just ridiculous. A person is obese when they are 30% above their ideal body weight Iris Jan 2013 #87

I'm just linking to what Mayo clinic says. But I guess you know better Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #88

One thing I am convinced of: AnnaLee Jan 2013 #44

My thread was in response to another thread calling into Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2013 #46

Dear god you're desperate for the status quo jeff47 Jan 2013 #50

you just contradicted your own statement liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #47

+ a fucking gazillion n/t Scout Jan 2013 #79

I struggle with my weight. musical_soul Jan 2013 #49

No, it doesn't. Few people are severely overweight. duffyduff Jan 2013 #52

People can be told all kinds of things treestar Jan 2013 #56

I view health the same way I view religion liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #63

Thanks! customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #78