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MADem

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66. You are not having an honest discussion, and you and I know this.

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:28 AM

Jan 2013

You are rolling out an anti-choice canard, very similar to the one I just heard--moments ago-- Rush Limbaugh babble on about on a clip on Lawrence O'Donnell's program.

If you were "surrounded by loving people," you surely wouldn't have the world view that so many "loving people" would contemplate aborting a fetus SOLELY based on their gender or their orientation-which-cannot-be-determined-by-a-test, assuming they were inclined to welcome a child into their lives. The fact that you do think these things--gender and orientation--somehow MATTER, and are perceived as NEGATIVES, makes me question your agenda in posing this divisive scenario.

I'm not being mean. I'm being BLUNT. You're behaving badly here. You'd be better off putting the question to the GOP--they're the ones with the "Right to Life" plank in their platform. Go poll them and get back to us.

Democrats are pro-CHOICE, it's in our party platform....and if the choice is not yours, or mine, it's NOT OUR BUSINESS.

That's all you need to know.

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Abortions motivated by a fetus's perceived homosexuality. [View all] cecilfirefox Jan 2013 OP

This may bring accusations of trolling- but I'm genuinely curious what the response to this cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #1

Why is sexual orientation any different than gender? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #5

because gay people will cease to exist if this happens dsc Jan 2013 #14

And you know this how? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #31

under those circumstances maybe dsc Jan 2013 #43

I think the great bulk of heterosexual parents feel the same way. EOTE Jan 2013 #121

I think the only heterosexual parents who would give a damn and WANT to abort kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #154

Interesting. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #65

you aren't pro choice anyway CreekDog Jan 2013 #93

Homosexuality is a side-effect of genes that increase fertility. DetlefK Jan 2013 #105

just look at what happened to down syndrome dsc Jan 2013 #129

Genetic proliferation depends on the social feedback. DetlefK Jan 2013 #136

You Are Equating RobinA Jan 2013 #139

Down's has all but disappeared? I never heard that. Interesting. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2013 #140

The syndrome is alive and well. But most Downs babies are probably aborted. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #156

um, NO. why do people make up shit and state it emphatically? bettyellen Jan 2013 #159

Um yes sorry but before you accuse people of making shit up you might dsc Jan 2013 #160

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing people pregnant with a down syndrome baby liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #177

I literally LOL when I read your post snooper2 Jan 2013 #126

No No Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #130

1 in 4 gay kids get kicked out when they tell their parents they are gay dsc Jan 2013 #137

Because it's a deliberate attempt to stamp out a people, a specific group, and it's likely grounded cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #15

How is this in any way true? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #24

No, it's quite plain what I'm asking- if a person has an abortion motivated cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #32

It is twisted logic. They apparently think that if a "gay gene" were discovered, morningfog Jan 2013 #33

Do you actually think the evangelical's in the van with kids wouldn't do it?? I'm saying it would be cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #41

How would you even know why someone is seeking an abortion? morningfog Jan 2013 #48

It's not going to be widespread and it's also not going to work. Warpy Jan 2013 #69

Maybe because nobody is doing it? aquart Jan 2013 #108

No one has a right to force a woman to have a child obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #166

Abortion is between a woman and her doctor. It's Not Our Business. Even if her "reasons" are MADem Jan 2013 #2

Wow. O_O cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #3

Try reading the Roe v. Wade decision, sometime, there, sparky. nt MADem Jan 2013 #6

* Eye roll. * cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #21

You got that right. MADem Jan 2013 #38

You could try to add something substantive to the discussion EOTE Jan 2013 #122

Why a "wow"? RudynJack Jan 2013 #18

Because, as a gay person it sends chills down my spine. cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #23

Are you a male? morningfog Jan 2013 #34

Don't you presume the worst? Why ever would you do such a thing? MADem Jan 2013 #35

Okay, really? Try to have an honest discussion with someone cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #44

You are not having an honest discussion, and you and I know this. MADem Jan 2013 #66

I wouldn't even read your diatribe- I know damn well what my intentions are and are not, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #68

Fine. Proudly refuse elucidation. It speaks to your lack of willingness to honestly engage on MADem Jan 2013 #72

Doesn't surprise me. Not reading seems to be your specialty EOTE Jan 2013 #123

Your op is troll flame bait. You are not having an honest discussion Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #119

It's a hypothetical that Rush Limbaugh has been honing for ten years, to try to divide the liberal MADem Jan 2013 #127

I am gay RudynJack Jan 2013 #42

I'm gay Aerows Jan 2013 #74

Co-sign Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #98

Homophobes are generally anti-abortion as well michigandem58 Jan 2013 #134

I wouldn't count on the moral consistancy of abortion opponents dsc Jan 2013 #161

That's my feelings too. Chan790 Jan 2013 #158

I know I cannot speak for anyone, but for me SheilaT Jan 2013 #4

What do you think about making such circumstances illegal though? nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #8

How would this differ from any other pre-natal testing SheilaT Jan 2013 #133

You articulated your sentiments beautifully. MADem Jan 2013 #25

As a gay person I find it highly offensive I can't ask about something, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #30

I have thought on what you've said--and like I said, I have your number. MADem Jan 2013 #49

If a so-called gay gene is ever found this issue will have to be addressed bluestateguy Jan 2013 #7

^ That's kinda my point. ;) nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #10

The issue has already been addressed. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #12

Ridiculous. Every word of your post. morningfog Jan 2013 #20

In many people, homosexuality is inborn. RudynJack Jan 2013 #46

That's correct- unless the epigentics study is validated, then it is possible- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #59

Rush Limbaugh has been "addressing" it for ten years, now. It's a Divide-and-Conquer set-piece with MADem Jan 2013 #96

So you suggest that the mind police determine intent? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #120

I guess I have to address all the people putting words into my mouth bluestateguy Jan 2013 #143

Arguments like this one have been used by the anti-choice movement from the very beginning. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #9

See, that's just a simple way to dodge the morality of what I asked. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #11

I'm not seeing the moral issue here. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #19

I'm not advocating anything, I'm asking about circumstances that lead to abortions- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #22

What do you mean "possible race?" morningfog Jan 2013 #28

Certainly, if that's the woman's choice. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #36

I just disagree- I think that's wrong, and I think saying its constitutionally protected is a bit of cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #39

I can respect that you disagree... Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #56

I suppose what I'm thinking is that in re-litigation on an issue similar to that, that I could see cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #62

If you are against the abortion of Aerows Jan 2013 #84

Whoa -- so you admit you're anti choice obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #170

How about you keep your grubby Texasgal Jan 2013 #175

"Possible race"?! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #169

I politely disagree. The anti-choice movement has been throwing hypothetical questions like this one Chorophyll Jan 2013 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #45

There is no morality in deciding to have a medical procedure obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #168

Bingo. It's not your business unless you're the one seeking the procedure. MADem Jan 2013 #29

It is quite simply none of your business why a woman gets an abortion. morningfog Jan 2013 #13

Still a red herring argument. ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #16

No- answer the question, what do you think? It's not trying to subvert anything, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #26

Some questions imply a desired answer when they are asked by the way they are phased Occulus Jan 2013 #57

No- it's a discussion topic on a discussion forum. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #64

Why would this very possibly be an issue? Are you saying gay people will want to force woman to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #71

Ok ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #89

It is the womans body, her decision, for whatever reason somehow you seem to think all women would peacebird Jan 2013 #106

Here's What I Think RobinA Jan 2013 #141

Apparently it's just fine no matter what the circumstance. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #17

^+1. Thank you, kind sir, for reason. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #27

Oh, THAT you consider a reasonable response. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #40

The point is that he's bringing up something that I think many liberals outright dismiss- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #47

And what point is that? A man's say in an abortion? morningfog Jan 2013 #51

The right to express an opinion without being ramrodded. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #53

That's what liberals dismiss? That doesn't make sense with the context of the previous posts. morningfog Jan 2013 #54

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #171

You having a penis Aerows Jan 2013 #78

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #172

Are you pregnant? blogslut Jan 2013 #50

As a self-identified gay male, I doubt it. morningfog Jan 2013 #52

Then you have nothing to worry about, do you. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #55

I think you meant this for cecilfirefox. And, I agree! morningfog Jan 2013 #60

Oops! You are correct. I'm up too late. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #61

Well, then blogslut Jan 2013 #58

I often tell people I am an astronaut. MADem Jan 2013 #67

Love this. Glad this thread got allowed out and that you help me understand DU better. ancianita Jan 2013 #94

It seems to me that if the entity is regarded as unworthy of any legal status... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #63

I have never heard of a woman seeking an abortion asking her self if the fetus is gay... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #70

This is an old canard, promulgated by Rush Limbaugh for the past seven years, at least. MADem Jan 2013 #75

Well I have no proof for this... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #85

If I were placing a bet, I'd bet the same way you would. MADem Jan 2013 #91

I pity the child of that RW woman... DonViejo Jan 2013 #153

It's shit-stirring Aerows Jan 2013 #87

Yes, it is. MADem Jan 2013 #95

I wish there were a genetic test for shrieking fruitcakes. gkhouston Jan 2013 #124

I'm gay Aerows Jan 2013 #73

if someone has an abortion because they fear the unborn fetus is gay Heather MC Jan 2013 #76

Best answer yet Aerows Jan 2013 #81

The responses in this thread are quite interesting. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #77

Here in the real world, though ... REP Jan 2013 #102

It was a hypothetical question. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #107

I know :-) REP Jan 2013 #109

It is interesting to ponder, but highly unlikely. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #112

Is there a way to tell the fetus is gay? Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #79

It's Faaaab-U-Lous! Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #86

I have a hypothetical. Jenoch Jan 2013 #80

What do you mean "ok"? TDale313 Jan 2013 #92

So what? The choice is still the mother's regardless of the reason LittleBlue Jan 2013 #82

Should we require any woman seeking an abortion to fill out a questionaire first? Hugabear Jan 2013 #83

+1000 TDale313 Jan 2013 #88

there you go. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #90

There's that, then there's the problem of her veracity. sarge43 Jan 2013 #113

Some ideas (like this one) are best examined in the alternative cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #97

I like that angle. Quantess Jan 2013 #150

Brilliant and well thought out response. Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #163

Homosexuality would still exist. David__77 Jan 2013 #99

I think this discussion is foundering on what should be legal and what should be ethical. BlueCheese Jan 2013 #100

Abortion because the baby might be ginger Riftaxe Jan 2013 #101

People are getting abortions? MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #103

A woman's right to choose Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #104

Are you asking if there should be a law, or simply whether this is wrong? NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #110

this is an excellent post. thanks. cali Jan 2013 #115

A person�s body is theirs and theirs alone, NO ONE should have the right to stultusporcos Jan 2013 #111

Scrape it if it's gay... diphthong Jan 2013 #114

Pro-choice is pro-choice gollygee Jan 2013 #116

What part of "it is none of your fucking business", pun intended, do you not understand? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #117

Abortion is a very serious subject best left to a woman and her doctor, and NOT.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #118

Only if the fetus is eaten Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #125

Abortions based on fetus's stance on gun control Recursion Jan 2013 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #131

I'd bet that the "condition" would be treated rather than be cause of an abortion AngryAmish Jan 2013 #132

Ooo, or what if it was because they thought it was really an ALIEN??? Maeve Jan 2013 #135

This is crunchy! What about a male birth control pill... galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #138

I would so like a birth control pill for men- little responsibility goes a long way!! nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #155

It does seem to beg the critical and relevant question LanternWaste Jan 2013 #142

the types that oppose this don't believe this is genetic CreekDog Jan 2013 #144

A womans choice in this matter is personal and is her business. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #145

It is not our business but that doesn't mean we are "okay" with the idea. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #146

But to an authoritarian crackpot okay and legal are synonyms cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #147

Her body, her choice. End of discussion. idwiyo Jan 2013 #148

i don't think it's possible to know that for sure. barbtries Jan 2013 #149

why would you think you'd get any different answer? Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #151

A fetus's PERCEIVED homosexuality? HTH is it perceived? benld74 Jan 2013 #152

They like football and Project Runway? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #173

I think what a woman chooses to do with her fetus is her business notadmblnd Jan 2013 #157

A woman may use whatever information she has available to choose to have an abortion. joshcryer Jan 2013 #162

It is still no ones business! Texasgal Jan 2013 #164

I'm gay and pro choice. Tien1985 Jan 2013 #165

Forcing a woman to have a child is disgusting obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #167

Women have abortions for good and bad reasons. Arkana Jan 2013 #174

You know...if I was a fundie Christian, I'd think.... Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #176

None of your fucking business. JTFrog Jan 2013 #178