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ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
17. No, just a call for some understanding of the basic tech involved here since as old AWB showed us,
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jan 2013

it matters. Pols tend not to be detail people, and in the real world details matter. As for suggestions, here are some of mine:

Things I support

NICS checks or equivalent on all transactions, even private party transaction, inheritance, and gifts. My approach would be a Federal FOID that you would automatically get at 18yo so they are not a "firearms ownership licenses", a common objection to that approach. The check is then if the FOID is still valid for the sale to proceed. This is easy from the IT perspective. Note the NRA rejects the FOID approach.

Limitation of pistol magazines to what fits inside the grip of the gun. Require that new designs not support magazines that extend beneath the handle (BATF already has authority to force design changes). This is readily demonstrated by the Ruger line of .22LR handguns and the Astra 400/600. Grandfather or buy back at retail price non-conforming magazines. This approach also slows down magazine changes. Note that the NRA has rejected magazine limitations

All firearms must be secured when not in use, being cleaned, transported, etc. While California got stupid on parts of this, its the right thing to do. Some will miss their old time glass front display cases or wall rack, but proper security is a must. Would consider an exemption for non-functional devices. I believe the NRA has fought mandatory safes. It adds costs to gun ownership, but this has to be done.

Mandatory reporting of theft or loss. This is a no brainer. A number of pro gun people say they will report theirs missing to avoid registration etc. That should be felony country.

Enforce the existing Federal laws about false paperwork by purchasers. Bloomie and I even agree on this one

Somethings I have mixed feelings about/no definitive solution

Mandatory owner training. It is not required to exercise any other enumerated right, but I have seen some very scary stuff over the years. Not sure what the standards should be, but I come down on the side of some training being required. The NRA has fought this.

Mandatory safety training for children. Enough for them to overcome their natural curiosity and get an adult should they find an unsecured firearm. While some would find that more offensive than the fundies find sex ed, until things change, its basic safety and needs to be done. Not sure the best way, but it is clearly called for. NRA has not taken a stand on this but does offer such classes. I don't see it as a talking point.

Waiting periods. For someone who already has firearms, not sure what purpose they serve. For first time owners I support them. Overall I think they are a good idea. Not sure what the right time length should be. 1 weeks seems good. There are reports that Lanza tried to buy a rifle but was stopped by the mandated waiting period (if the media reports are to be believed). NRA opposes waiting periods

Better mental health reporting and supervision. Seen a number of posts on that here. Clearly something is called for, but how to do it is not clear. Loughner never should have been allowed to have a gun. Also we cannot and should not demonize the mentally ill and the people who serve them as some have done. The NRA has fought additional reporting of some types of problems yet is trying to blame the "crazies". Go figure

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That's my current working list. Those will address some of the concerns. Clearly it is not for you enough based on your prior posts, but its a fair start.

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Reloading your own ammo is trivial. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #1
Ban the sale of gunpowder and the primers problem solved stultusporcos Jan 2013 #7
Black market gunpowder would be all over the place. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #32
If you want to play with a single shot musket hogwyld Jan 2013 #38
oh well, then fuck it frylock Jan 2013 #39
oh my backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #2
Too late ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
I love Chris Rock! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #3
Ha! You beat me to it! I immediately thought of that. PotatoChip Jan 2013 #8
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #21
You think paying a few more dollars to fill a gun magazine will deter someone? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #4
OK, tax it 4000%, or 40000% CanonRay Jan 2013 #10
So you support poll taxes? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #13
What does taxing bullet sales have to do with a poll tax CanonRay Jan 2013 #29
It would be regarded as a "use tax" for a constitutional right NickB79 Jan 2013 #35
Making "ink and paper" the equivalent of bullets CanonRay Jan 2013 #37
Not sure what poll taxes have to do with ammo taxes.... rbixby Jan 2013 #30
you can't do that backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #25
I Have No Idea What A Bullet Costs.... global1 Jan 2013 #11
Anywhere from ten cents to a dollar per bullet Recursion Jan 2013 #24
Speech is free Riftaxe Jan 2013 #5
You will never be able to use a 3d printer for gunpowder Exen Trik Jan 2013 #6
If 3d printers are here, can replicators be far behind? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #23
The bill that would make armor-piercing rifle rounds illegal? NickB79 Jan 2013 #9
Sounds like more incompetence from pols ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #14
Another reasonable response from the all-guns-all-the-time contingent Orrex Jan 2013 #15
I have tried that approach several times here backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #16
I'm fool enough to keep trying. There are things that need to be tightened up ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #18
No, just a call for some understanding of the basic tech involved here since as old AWB showed us, ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #17
A fair start indeed--thank you. Orrex Jan 2013 #19
Some additional feedback ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #22
Thanks Orrex Jan 2013 #27
I like the background checks for private sales too rbixby Jan 2013 #31
MOAR GUNSES!!! frylock Jan 2013 #40
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #20
Shooting range control alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #26
Are you proposing a ban on ammo storage at home? NickB79 Jan 2013 #33
You need an insurance policy on your automobile- why not your guns? stlsaxman Jan 2013 #28
Except some states don't require an insurance policy NickB79 Jan 2013 #34
So we want people to have guns and not practice shooting? dkf Jan 2013 #36
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