Gun bans and abortion bans - a remarkable Puritanical similarity

[ljm2002]

114. Different issues.

Unless you believe that the issue of owning a gun is akin to controlling your own body, which would imply that the gun is simply an appendage of said body, which I think few people would argue.

Under your argument, any law is an attempt to "control others". So point 1 does not count as something joining gun laws and abortion restrictions together.

As to point 2, the argument about gun restrictions is not a crusade to "save the innocent". In fact the argument generally revolves around how many gun deaths there are, including the innocent and the not-so-innocent (gangs, etc.). Now the Sandy Hook incident did dredge up a lot of feelings in all of us about saving the innocent from such rampages, that I will concede readily. In that way it has served as a spark for a new conversation about gun restrictions. But this conversation has been going on for many years now and it has most assuredly not been solely about saving children from being killed. So it is not at all like the rabid forced-birth argument which has the fetus as a demigod while the woman bearing said fetus is a mere expendable vessel.

Concerning point 3, like point 1 it is immaterial, since any law requires the need for a government to implement the law. Your inclusion of the word "intrusive" is mere editorializing, hanging the right-wing meme of "intrusive government" out there to cause a negative reaction in our lizard brains.

As to point 4, yes most laws regulating behavior are based on some sort of moral ideal or "high ground". So? This again is not unique to either gun laws or abortion laws.

Finally. There is no, repeat no, move on anyone's part for gun prohibition. Restrictions, yes. Outright prohibition, no. So that's one thing. Also: as to your statement that "Gun violence will never end". That may well be true, but we do know that the rate of gun violence is much, much, much lower in almost every single other country in the world, even some which are quite well armed. We might want to take a look at why that is the case. I think that we'll find gun laws that are much more restrictive than ours are. Hmmm, I wonder if there might be some connection there? Nah, couldn't be...