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Yo_Mama

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130. No No

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 12:33 PM

Jan 2013

People just aren't so petty.

Also, there is no test and it is pretty clear there never will be - if identical twins quite often differ in sexual orientation, it is not a fixed genetic thing that we could ever test for (like Downs Syndrome). See the Swedish all-twin study:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-008-9386-1

But even if there ever were such a test, I don't think people would abort most those children.

Quite a few people know that their children have Downs Syndrome, but don't abort the baby. Downs kids have always seemed to me to be able to live very happy lives. As a parent, that is what would make the difference for me.

I don't think most people perceive having a same-sex orientation as being a characteristic that dooms a person to a tragic, tortured life, so I think you are wrong.

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Abortions motivated by a fetus's perceived homosexuality. [View all] cecilfirefox Jan 2013 OP

This may bring accusations of trolling- but I'm genuinely curious what the response to this cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #1

Why is sexual orientation any different than gender? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #5

because gay people will cease to exist if this happens dsc Jan 2013 #14

And you know this how? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #31

under those circumstances maybe dsc Jan 2013 #43

I think the great bulk of heterosexual parents feel the same way. EOTE Jan 2013 #121

I think the only heterosexual parents who would give a damn and WANT to abort kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #154

Interesting. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #65

you aren't pro choice anyway CreekDog Jan 2013 #93

Homosexuality is a side-effect of genes that increase fertility. DetlefK Jan 2013 #105

just look at what happened to down syndrome dsc Jan 2013 #129

Genetic proliferation depends on the social feedback. DetlefK Jan 2013 #136

You Are Equating RobinA Jan 2013 #139

Down's has all but disappeared? I never heard that. Interesting. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2013 #140

The syndrome is alive and well. But most Downs babies are probably aborted. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #156

um, NO. why do people make up shit and state it emphatically? bettyellen Jan 2013 #159

Um yes sorry but before you accuse people of making shit up you might dsc Jan 2013 #160

I don't know for sure but I'm guessing people pregnant with a down syndrome baby liberal_at_heart Jan 2013 #177

I literally LOL when I read your post snooper2 Jan 2013 #126

No No Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #130

1 in 4 gay kids get kicked out when they tell their parents they are gay dsc Jan 2013 #137

Because it's a deliberate attempt to stamp out a people, a specific group, and it's likely grounded cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #15

How is this in any way true? Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #24

No, it's quite plain what I'm asking- if a person has an abortion motivated cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #32

It is twisted logic. They apparently think that if a "gay gene" were discovered, morningfog Jan 2013 #33

Do you actually think the evangelical's in the van with kids wouldn't do it?? I'm saying it would be cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #41

How would you even know why someone is seeking an abortion? morningfog Jan 2013 #48

It's not going to be widespread and it's also not going to work. Warpy Jan 2013 #69

Maybe because nobody is doing it? aquart Jan 2013 #108

No one has a right to force a woman to have a child obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #166

Abortion is between a woman and her doctor. It's Not Our Business. Even if her "reasons" are MADem Jan 2013 #2

Wow. O_O cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #3

Try reading the Roe v. Wade decision, sometime, there, sparky. nt MADem Jan 2013 #6

* Eye roll. * cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #21

You got that right. MADem Jan 2013 #38

You could try to add something substantive to the discussion EOTE Jan 2013 #122

Why a "wow"? RudynJack Jan 2013 #18

Because, as a gay person it sends chills down my spine. cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #23

Are you a male? morningfog Jan 2013 #34

Don't you presume the worst? Why ever would you do such a thing? MADem Jan 2013 #35

Okay, really? Try to have an honest discussion with someone cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #44

You are not having an honest discussion, and you and I know this. MADem Jan 2013 #66

I wouldn't even read your diatribe- I know damn well what my intentions are and are not, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #68

Fine. Proudly refuse elucidation. It speaks to your lack of willingness to honestly engage on MADem Jan 2013 #72

Doesn't surprise me. Not reading seems to be your specialty EOTE Jan 2013 #123

Your op is troll flame bait. You are not having an honest discussion Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #119

It's a hypothetical that Rush Limbaugh has been honing for ten years, to try to divide the liberal MADem Jan 2013 #127

I am gay RudynJack Jan 2013 #42

I'm gay Aerows Jan 2013 #74

Co-sign Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #98

Homophobes are generally anti-abortion as well michigandem58 Jan 2013 #134

I wouldn't count on the moral consistancy of abortion opponents dsc Jan 2013 #161

That's my feelings too. Chan790 Jan 2013 #158

I know I cannot speak for anyone, but for me SheilaT Jan 2013 #4

What do you think about making such circumstances illegal though? nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #8

How would this differ from any other pre-natal testing SheilaT Jan 2013 #133

You articulated your sentiments beautifully. MADem Jan 2013 #25

As a gay person I find it highly offensive I can't ask about something, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #30

I have thought on what you've said--and like I said, I have your number. MADem Jan 2013 #49

If a so-called gay gene is ever found this issue will have to be addressed bluestateguy Jan 2013 #7

^ That's kinda my point. ;) nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #10

The issue has already been addressed. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #12

Ridiculous. Every word of your post. morningfog Jan 2013 #20

In many people, homosexuality is inborn. RudynJack Jan 2013 #46

That's correct- unless the epigentics study is validated, then it is possible- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #59

Rush Limbaugh has been "addressing" it for ten years, now. It's a Divide-and-Conquer set-piece with MADem Jan 2013 #96

So you suggest that the mind police determine intent? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #120

I guess I have to address all the people putting words into my mouth bluestateguy Jan 2013 #143

Arguments like this one have been used by the anti-choice movement from the very beginning. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #9

See, that's just a simple way to dodge the morality of what I asked. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #11

I'm not seeing the moral issue here. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #19

I'm not advocating anything, I'm asking about circumstances that lead to abortions- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #22

What do you mean "possible race?" morningfog Jan 2013 #28

Certainly, if that's the woman's choice. Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #36

I just disagree- I think that's wrong, and I think saying its constitutionally protected is a bit of cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #39

I can respect that you disagree... Llewlladdwr Jan 2013 #56

I suppose what I'm thinking is that in re-litigation on an issue similar to that, that I could see cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #62

If you are against the abortion of Aerows Jan 2013 #84

Whoa -- so you admit you're anti choice obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #170

How about you keep your grubby Texasgal Jan 2013 #175

"Possible race"?! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #169

I politely disagree. The anti-choice movement has been throwing hypothetical questions like this one Chorophyll Jan 2013 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #45

There is no morality in deciding to have a medical procedure obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #168

Bingo. It's not your business unless you're the one seeking the procedure. MADem Jan 2013 #29

It is quite simply none of your business why a woman gets an abortion. morningfog Jan 2013 #13

Still a red herring argument. ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #16

No- answer the question, what do you think? It's not trying to subvert anything, cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #26

Some questions imply a desired answer when they are asked by the way they are phased Occulus Jan 2013 #57

No- it's a discussion topic on a discussion forum. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #64

Why would this very possibly be an issue? Are you saying gay people will want to force woman to DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #71

Ok ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #89

It is the womans body, her decision, for whatever reason somehow you seem to think all women would peacebird Jan 2013 #106

Here's What I Think RobinA Jan 2013 #141

Apparently it's just fine no matter what the circumstance. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #17

^+1. Thank you, kind sir, for reason. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #27

Oh, THAT you consider a reasonable response. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #40

The point is that he's bringing up something that I think many liberals outright dismiss- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #47

And what point is that? A man's say in an abortion? morningfog Jan 2013 #51

The right to express an opinion without being ramrodded. nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #53

That's what liberals dismiss? That doesn't make sense with the context of the previous posts. morningfog Jan 2013 #54

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #171

You having a penis Aerows Jan 2013 #78

+1 obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #172

Are you pregnant? blogslut Jan 2013 #50

As a self-identified gay male, I doubt it. morningfog Jan 2013 #52

Then you have nothing to worry about, do you. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #55

I think you meant this for cecilfirefox. And, I agree! morningfog Jan 2013 #60

Oops! You are correct. I'm up too late. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #61

Well, then blogslut Jan 2013 #58

I often tell people I am an astronaut. MADem Jan 2013 #67

Love this. Glad this thread got allowed out and that you help me understand DU better. ancianita Jan 2013 #94

It seems to me that if the entity is regarded as unworthy of any legal status... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2013 #63

I have never heard of a woman seeking an abortion asking her self if the fetus is gay... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #70

This is an old canard, promulgated by Rush Limbaugh for the past seven years, at least. MADem Jan 2013 #75

Well I have no proof for this... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #85

If I were placing a bet, I'd bet the same way you would. MADem Jan 2013 #91

I pity the child of that RW woman... DonViejo Jan 2013 #153

It's shit-stirring Aerows Jan 2013 #87

Yes, it is. MADem Jan 2013 #95

I wish there were a genetic test for shrieking fruitcakes. gkhouston Jan 2013 #124

I'm gay Aerows Jan 2013 #73

if someone has an abortion because they fear the unborn fetus is gay Heather MC Jan 2013 #76

Best answer yet Aerows Jan 2013 #81

The responses in this thread are quite interesting. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #77

Here in the real world, though ... REP Jan 2013 #102

It was a hypothetical question. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #107

I know :-) REP Jan 2013 #109

It is interesting to ponder, but highly unlikely. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #112

Is there a way to tell the fetus is gay? Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #79

It's Faaaab-U-Lous! Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #86

I have a hypothetical. Jenoch Jan 2013 #80

What do you mean "ok"? TDale313 Jan 2013 #92

So what? The choice is still the mother's regardless of the reason LittleBlue Jan 2013 #82

Should we require any woman seeking an abortion to fill out a questionaire first? Hugabear Jan 2013 #83

+1000 TDale313 Jan 2013 #88

there you go. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #90

There's that, then there's the problem of her veracity. sarge43 Jan 2013 #113

Some ideas (like this one) are best examined in the alternative cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #97

I like that angle. Quantess Jan 2013 #150

Brilliant and well thought out response. Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #163

Homosexuality would still exist. David__77 Jan 2013 #99

I think this discussion is foundering on what should be legal and what should be ethical. BlueCheese Jan 2013 #100

Abortion because the baby might be ginger Riftaxe Jan 2013 #101

People are getting abortions? MichaelHarris Jan 2013 #103

A woman's right to choose Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #104

Are you asking if there should be a law, or simply whether this is wrong? NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #110

this is an excellent post. thanks. cali Jan 2013 #115

A person�s body is theirs and theirs alone, NO ONE should have the right to stultusporcos Jan 2013 #111

Scrape it if it's gay... diphthong Jan 2013 #114

Pro-choice is pro-choice gollygee Jan 2013 #116

What part of "it is none of your fucking business", pun intended, do you not understand? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #117

Abortion is a very serious subject best left to a woman and her doctor, and NOT.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #118

Only if the fetus is eaten Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #125

Abortions based on fetus's stance on gun control Recursion Jan 2013 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #131

I'd bet that the "condition" would be treated rather than be cause of an abortion AngryAmish Jan 2013 #132

Ooo, or what if it was because they thought it was really an ALIEN??? Maeve Jan 2013 #135

This is crunchy! What about a male birth control pill... galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #138

I would so like a birth control pill for men- little responsibility goes a long way!! nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #155

It does seem to beg the critical and relevant question LanternWaste Jan 2013 #142

the types that oppose this don't believe this is genetic CreekDog Jan 2013 #144

A womans choice in this matter is personal and is her business. nt. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #145

It is not our business but that doesn't mean we are "okay" with the idea. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #146

But to an authoritarian crackpot okay and legal are synonyms cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #147

Her body, her choice. End of discussion. idwiyo Jan 2013 #148

i don't think it's possible to know that for sure. barbtries Jan 2013 #149

why would you think you'd get any different answer? Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #151

A fetus's PERCEIVED homosexuality? HTH is it perceived? benld74 Jan 2013 #152

They like football and Project Runway? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #173

I think what a woman chooses to do with her fetus is her business notadmblnd Jan 2013 #157

A woman may use whatever information she has available to choose to have an abortion. joshcryer Jan 2013 #162

It is still no ones business! Texasgal Jan 2013 #164

I'm gay and pro choice. Tien1985 Jan 2013 #165

Forcing a woman to have a child is disgusting obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #167

Women have abortions for good and bad reasons. Arkana Jan 2013 #174

You know...if I was a fundie Christian, I'd think.... Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #176

None of your fucking business. JTFrog Jan 2013 #178