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union_maid

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130. Here in NY smoking is banned in most public places

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 02:11 PM

Jan 2013

Not only is it no longer allowed in bars and restaurants, offices and just about every indoor space there is, increasingly it's even banned in outdoor spaces. There are state laws and some local laws involved in where and under what circumstances smoking is banned. One big difference between smoking and guns is that local control is possible. If smoking laws are more lenient in one state, that doesn't affect other states. Community standards can prevail. Not true with guns. States with gun control laws are still faced with a constant influx of guns from other states. which is a huge reason why we're so mad at each other about it. Only one side gets to set their own community standards on this issue.

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Wouldn't banning smoking save more lifes than banning guns? [View all] Logical Jan 2013 OP

Wouldn't using proper English enhance your argument? Whovian Jan 2013 #1

+1000 RetroLounge Jan 2013 #50

+1 samsingh Jan 2013 #134

It's 'lives,' not life's n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #2

The OP edited and still hasn't figured it out. Whovian Jan 2013 #32

Good lord. LOL. Lex Jan 2013 #34

No surprise. Also misspelled Illogical. pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #44

Avoid the subject of the OP and focus on grammar. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #53

This probably the only thing we will ever agree about. flamin lib Jan 2013 #60

Yeah, what is that? Skip Intro Jan 2013 #66

Well said. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #71

+1 Go Vols Jan 2013 #129

To quote Mr. Gump's Mom, "Stupid is as stupid does." If someone can't spell Whovian Jan 2013 #135

That is a mind-blowingly ignorant thing to say. Skip Intro Jan 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author Whovian Jan 2013 #138

The subject is stupid. Not worthy of DU's time n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #88

Thank you, "Voice of DU" demwing Jan 2013 #106

There are laws protecting people from secondhand smoke. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #3

Not in homes with kids. Not when I walk outside a bar. Etc. Logical Jan 2013 #4

As I said, YOU choose when and where you are exposed to secondhand smoke. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2013 #56

It's against the law in my city to smoke in a bar. It's not in your city? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #58

No, its not. Stil getting smoked in bars, clubs, casinos. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #62

We're not banning guns. I don't want to ban other people's habits. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #63

I dont want to ban anything. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #64

As an ex smoker I'd applaud banning all tobacco products. Same with semi auto guns flamin lib Jan 2013 #61

I am not in favor of banning people's addictive choices. None of my business. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #65

If you think banning booze was an epic disaster... HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #73

Guns won't be banned. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #76

I know they won't. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #78

I don't realistically think a ban on either would be effective, particularly flamin lib Jan 2013 #75

I actually think that's one of the best ideas I've heard. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #77

Did you HAVE to take your kids to the bar blueamy66 Jan 2013 #83

Im pretty DAMN sure ( some of the ) smokers subject their family to second hand smoking darkangel218 Jan 2013 #84

Just type ass. blueamy66 Jan 2013 #105

True and we are not talking about banning all guns either krawhitham Jan 2013 #87

You might not be ... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #95

let me know when someone smokes 26 people to death spanone Jan 2013 #5

Hence the phrase getting smoked? rustydog Jan 2013 #29

No one will ban guns. Ever. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #6

We've tightened the regulations on smoking and have reduced it substantially CreekDog Jan 2013 #7

Still thousands more die from 2nd hand smoke. Isn't that a bigger worry? Logical Jan 2013 #9

Not for the people who get shot. Richard D Jan 2013 #18

Not at all. Lets focus on what causes more deaths! n-t Logical Jan 2013 #19

We have focused on it and that is why smoking is banned from many public areas now Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #33

We already regulate guns as much as cigs. Age limit, etc. Logical Jan 2013 #36

You can carry guns in public buildings but you can't smoke in public buildings Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #37

You can carry cigs into buildings. And not use guns in buildings. Logical Jan 2013 #41

No one is going to murder somebody with a cigarette Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #46

Ridiculous!!!!-Wait a minute YOUR ON! Robyn66 Jan 2013 #111

you're only making the argument because you don't want ANY additional regulation of guns CreekDog Jan 2013 #54

Single payer healthcare would JVS Jan 2013 #8

You're right... we can only do one thing- right? XRubicon Jan 2013 #10

Who's talking about banning guns... orwell Jan 2013 #11

WTF? HappyMe Jan 2013 #12

Wow. This is just painfully stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #13

Let's ban both and really save lives! Sounds like the best plan according to your criteria Lex Jan 2013 #14

Ding! Iggo Jan 2013 #21

+1000 RetroLounge Jan 2013 #51

Let's add Booger King and McFondles. Eating salt, fat and sugar kills! ...and L0oniX Jan 2013 #123

What the hell? One has nothing to do with the other. n/t Laurian Jan 2013 #15

Nobody is trying to ban either one jberryhill Jan 2013 #16

@@@@@shiney-thing@@@@@. Nt pkdu Jan 2013 #17

Why either/or??? elleng Jan 2013 #20

Maybe we should start having laws to protect us from guns gollygee Jan 2013 #22

Banning Alcohol would save even more. nt Speck Tater Jan 2013 #23

Or banning cars nt tama Jan 2013 #24

My state has banned smoking in all public places including private businesses. I'm living Ed Suspicious Jan 2013 #25

Ban my cigarettes and I'll go after something YOU like - alcohol, soda, french fries, pizza... Tx4obama Jan 2013 #42

Fuck banning guns, BAN SMOKING!!!!! ok, that will stop the murder of innocents rustydog Jan 2013 #26

Cars are needed to function. Smoking is not. Correct? n=t Logical Jan 2013 #27

And if we had banned smoking 20 years ago, we'd still have thousands of rustydog Jan 2013 #35

Cars Are Not 'Needed' Per Se... And Yet... Cars Are Far More Regulated Than Guns... WillyT Jan 2013 #38

Beats me. Let's ask the 1st graders who were shot. Oh wait, we can't,they're all dead. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #28

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #79

At one time? With intention? The depths you sink to are disgusting. morningfog Jan 2013 #81

I don't know many 6-year-olds... Frank Cannon Jan 2013 #99

Smoking is very heavily regulated Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #30

Cigarettes have recently become regulated by the Food and Drug Administration... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2013 #31

Wow - the paranoia of the gun foolks is showing...they are REALLY reaching now. jmg257 Jan 2013 #39

More innocent people die from smoking than guns. Thousands. You don't care I guess. Logical Jan 2013 #43

Sure I do - I am all for heavy restrictions and taxes on smoking. Same with you and guns, right? jmg257 Jan 2013 #45

let's ban them both and see what happens! nt Takket Jan 2013 #40

Try lighting up inside a public place in NYC. baldguy Jan 2013 #47

In TN, it's illegal to smoke in a family restaurant, but NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #48

Sounds good, let's ban them both. RetroLounge Jan 2013 #52

No it would not. Glassunion Jan 2013 #55

I think the OP was just trying to make a point. nt darkangel218 Jan 2013 #57

Oh, the OP made one. Occulus Jan 2013 #85

trying is the operative word. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #117

In California the restaurant and bar owners moaned and groaned over the fact they would be forced libdem4life Jan 2013 #59

do we have to decide between banning Texting and driving and Drinking and Driving JI7 Jan 2013 #67

So you are suggesting banning both guns and smoking? Great idea! DrewFlorida Jan 2013 #68

Only 30,000 die from guns Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #69

Yes, but the banners aren't interested in saving lives. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #70

Actually, we are interested in saving lives. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #82

Of course the legal, RESPONSIBLE gun owners never wrongly shoot anyone -- BY DEFINITION. pnwmom Jan 2013 #94

You are right, bans will have little effect, but banning AND confiscating will. jmg257 Jan 2013 #112

Stepping into fantasy land does not help you here hack89 Jan 2013 #125

What would DU do without threads like these... ellisonz Jan 2013 #72

Sure! Let's regulate the hell out of guns, just like we do cigarettes Glitterati Jan 2013 #74

Just when I thought I had heard the dumbest fucking gun extremist argument, you deliver this. morningfog Jan 2013 #80

Apples and f****** Oranges. nm Cha Jan 2013 #86

So you're going vegan when? flvegan Jan 2013 #89

Yep! cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #90

So if gun owners could carry their guns Politicalboi Jan 2013 #91

Cigarettes only do one thing... poison/kill their users and those around them. n/t OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #92

Stop trying to use common sense rl6214 Jan 2013 #93

I can't kill 30 people with a pack of Parliaments. name not needed Jan 2013 #96

Very good point. randome Jan 2013 #98

Since you draw the analogy quaker bill Jan 2013 #97

What gives ANYONE the Right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their body? stultusporcos Jan 2013 #100

If we ban guns, only smokers will have the power to kill. n/t rucky Jan 2013 #101

I dunno about outlawing smoking altogether...... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #102

A report says we've already cut the number Ilsa Jan 2013 #103

This OP Is Yet Another... WiffenPoof Jan 2013 #104

limit Locrian Jan 2013 #107

I have the same problem with smoking that I do with guns liberal N proud Jan 2013 #108

I love the smell... 99Forever Jan 2013 #109

Even if they just made it as hard for a nut to buy a gun tavernier Jan 2013 #110

Only 30000 GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #113

Yes. Lex Jan 2013 #118

Let's ban both!! Sancho Jan 2013 #114

Only 30,000..........e o m jmg257 Jan 2013 #115

Let's regulate guns. Skinner Jan 2013 #116

Well first, I don't think a total ban of Guns is in the works Sheepshank Jan 2013 #119

Don't Forget Sky High Sales Taxes Yavin4 Jan 2013 #132

How about banning cars? Bonduel Jan 2013 #120

How about not subjecting Liberals to NRA Talking Points? bongbong Jan 2013 #121

Or swimming pools JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #122

Or how about we make guns cost the same as cars? Lex Jan 2013 #126

I am for all of that. All of that seems to make more sense to me Bonduel Jan 2013 #136

Did you just c&p this from freeperville? Sheepshank Jan 2013 #133

Tobacco should be a Schedule I drug.. sir pball Jan 2013 #124

Smoking is not banned because government is addicted to it. former9thward Jan 2013 #127

Many gun nuts smoke too SummerSnow Jan 2013 #128

Here in NY smoking is banned in most public places union_maid Jan 2013 #130

Well of course it would - but there are differences as well as similarities. dmallind Jan 2013 #131

"This place would freak out if you wanted to ban smoking. " JoeyT Jan 2013 #139