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Liberal_Stalwart71

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190. Look, here's how I feel about this: There have been Democrats who have made bigoted comments

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 10:31 PM

Jan 2013

throughout their career. Even Joe Biden has said some stupid shit about minorities. Harry Reid. Others. It doesn't bother me.

Know what does? POLICY!!

I don't care what you may think about me or say about me as a black woman so long as at the end of the day, your voting record, your policies are not bigoted. Democrats and liberals are NOT above reproach. There is racism, anti-gay/lesbian, sexism, and all kinds of bigotry that exists on the Left as it does on the Right.

I have always believed, however, that it is the POLICY that is most damaging, not beliefs. Not words.

The pastor is an asshole. He is a bigot.

The president? There's NOTHING in his policy that is anti-gay, anti-LGBT, racist, or whatever. And where it does exist, I would hope that the president and the Democratic Party would work to eradicate that. I have faith that the president wants to do the right thing; has tried to do the right thing.

We should hold his feet to the fire when the POLICY goes the wrong way. A bigoted pastor? He can kiss my ass. A bigoted public policy ? Unacceptable.

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Obama Taps Anti-Gay Preacher for Inaugural Benediction (with Shocking Quotes) [View all] Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 OP

Well, folks, I promise when you elect ME President, there wont be any "benediction" at all. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #1

No benediction from me, either MurrayDelph Jan 2013 #2

You've got my vote. Brickbat Jan 2013 #21

Woohoo! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

Totally. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #38

I would swear on a copy of The Age of Reason Major Nikon Jan 2013 #87

As long as the president supports gay marriage, I don't care. Not everyone has the same views. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #3

I think its lame, myself. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #5

What makes you think they havent been vet'ed? nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #121

vetted for bigotry? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #122

No, the POINT is that he still apparently thinks "both sides" should have "equal time", Occulus Jan 2013 #49

+1000 TDale313 Jan 2013 #102

It'd be like LBJ having a sky-pilot from Bob Jones U. do the invocation at the 1965 inaugural. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #115

The pastor is no longer in the program. The president has made vocal statements in support of Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #170

If he's not personally homophobic Occulus Jan 2013 #181

I'm beginning to think that Joe Biden's statement amandabeech Jan 2013 #182

O.K., here's how I will explain that, and this is my last word on the subject... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #191

Would you feel the same way if he were a racist? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #58

It's not cool, for sure. But there's a difference between racist and anti-gay statements.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #90

Not much of a difference. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #95

No, I'm speaking factually. As a matter of fact, most religions follow their religious books... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #97

Seriously... DURHAM D Jan 2013 #100

I'm not saying that I myself think that. A person's faith is not a fairy tale. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #104

Until 1978, The LDS Church believed that being Black WAS a mark of sin. nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #113

But not any more, right? I'm not talking about forever through history in the past. We're speaking Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #116

See my post #119. I think I might have an idea about why Obama gets into tblue37 Jan 2013 #120

Of course the same books say it is a sin and capital offense for a women to question a man. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #142

The Bible and other books are used to rationalize all forms of bigotry. The 'Curse of Cain' has oft Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #152

Sorry, but your awareness is rather limited. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #174

I like Obama a lot, but some of his choices leave me absolutely flummoxed. nt tblue37 Jan 2013 #112

FUCK THAT SHIT dbackjon Jan 2013 #155

"of all religions?" Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #173

Yes, but I'm tired of people comparing race to sexual orientation. Two different things. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #161

Would you have any problem if the President chose someone who was anti-African American? sabrina 1 Jan 2013 #123

Of course I would. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #160

So you would be ok with a White Power Church minister speakin? dbackjon Jan 2013 #154

What! I thought this was a joke...but, then realized it was serious from the quote. KoKo Jan 2013 #4

I don't know why President Obama has to keep doing this. yardwork Jan 2013 #6

Those are my sentiments Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #19

Perhaps he simply enjoys gay punching? DURHAM D Jan 2013 #36

Re your last sentence. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #130

agreed -- me too obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #135

Me neither. I didn't watch the one in 2009 and I won't watch this one. yardwork Jan 2013 #144

I guess someone did not do a very good job at vetting this guy. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #7

That was the flimsy excuse *last* time kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #10

Well people can draw feel how they want about it. I am not happy about this. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #11

Unfortunately, I think that this choice was deliberate, just like last time. yardwork Jan 2013 #56

I had no idea that Jarrett said that. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #71

She did. Link below from Fox News: yardwork Jan 2013 #72

I doubt that was a slip of the tongue as she tried to play it off. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #74

We did speak up, and that's why Obama "evolved" on the issue of equal marriage. yardwork Jan 2013 #75

You make a good point. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #76

Obama 'evolved' because he was told major donors were going to tell him to fuck off at Clooney's Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #143

I forgot about that. So was it... WorseBeforeBetter Jan 2013 #159

And don't forget Obama selected Cardinal Dolan DURHAM D Jan 2013 #84

Yes. I had forgotten that. These are deliberate appeals to homophobes. yardwork Jan 2013 #98

I don't think he is trying to appeal to homophobes. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #101

I tend to agree with you on this obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #136

I see both of your points. yardwork Jan 2013 #145

Maybe they figured they'd appeal to the Mean Nasty Right in one fell swoop with this guy. MADem Jan 2013 #127

SSDY Maven Jan 2013 #8

Hmmmmph. xchrom Jan 2013 #9

I don't like it, either. But, I do like that Richard Blanco Cha Jan 2013 #12

+1 octoberlib Jan 2013 #18

And the Asshole in question will share the stage with these two Patriots. msanthrope Jan 2013 #26

People should ask themselves why Homer had Odysseus, when given a choice between doing patrice Jan 2013 #46

Sad...it will go over heads of many who have little time or other agendas..but yeah KoKo Jan 2013 #50

True poets are pretty magical, so here's to hope! patrice Jan 2013 #57

Thank you, patrice, for the Greek Mythology lesson.. I will not let Cha Jan 2013 #99

How considerate of you on my behalf. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #103

It's not on your behalf, obviously, I'm speaking for myself. Cha Jan 2013 #109

The Greeks were our intellectual ancestors. Aristotle who wrote a book about Logic patrice Jan 2013 #107

Beautiful! And, now we have Richard Blanco as the Inaugural Poet Cha Jan 2013 #114

Did we learn nothing from last time? Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #13

It's not reachy-outy. It's called making the Right scream and shit purple. msanthrope Jan 2013 #25

so he's a young bigot dlwickham Jan 2013 #31

He's a "Commercial Christian"---an insult to established religion. msanthrope Jan 2013 #33

He and his Church are Baptist. Largest denomiation in mainstream American religion. Sorry. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #146

++1 Eyes on the prize = the end of DOMA & the party OUGHT to trot Bill Clinton out for that one. nt patrice Jan 2013 #32

Not just eyes on the prize...go make them eat one of their own....nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #35

Afterall, it's NO secret where PO's base is on all of this. This keeps us IN the news-cycle . . . patrice Jan 2013 #45

And the gay youth of the nation FreeState Jan 2013 #34

Yeah--I'm guessing the gay youth of this nation will take away the poetry of Richard Blanco, and msanthrope Jan 2013 #37

Nope as a gay man I can assure you FreeState Jan 2013 #40

As well might those of their number who had such aspirations and didn't make it, a fact that I can patrice Jan 2013 #63

Oh yeah? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #66

Your concern is noted. Please feel free to share more of your concerns, and enjoy your stay. nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #138

"So when you ask an asshole like that to give the benediction, what are you doing?" Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #14

wtf? *why*? at least in rick warren's case, he was well-known & had a best-selling book, so you HiPointDem Jan 2013 #15

didn't the Obama administration learn anything from the Rick Warren fiasco? Terra Alta Jan 2013 #16

They learned they could dis the LGBT community and get away with it. nt hay rick Jan 2013 #68

Glad to see the course correction. nt hay rick Jan 2013 #163

This is like bringing Heinrich Himmler as a guest to a Bar Mitzvah. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #17

IT'S ONLY A 2 MINUTE BENEDICTION THINGY !!!1111 leftstreet Jan 2013 #20

and? dlwickham Jan 2013 #29

That was the justification last time around leftstreet Jan 2013 #52

okay dlwickham Jan 2013 #91

I'm a Christian...his remarks are offensive to me! Obama should NEVER have KoKo Jan 2013 #62

Did you mean to respond to me, or the OP? leftstreet Jan 2013 #64

I am so angry, sad, distraught...that I don't know who I replied to...just it is. KoKo Jan 2013 #69

... leftstreet Jan 2013 #70

I wonder whether Obama even pays attention to stuff like this, though. tblue37 Jan 2013 #119

If the team is that careless they should historylovr Jan 2013 #133

Your post is excellent! amandabeech Jan 2013 #185

We Christians get lumped into those Extemists on the Right, so much... KoKo Jan 2013 #189

The President's Golf Game Must Be Improving... Because THIS... Is Par For The Course... WillyT Jan 2013 #22

I'm so, SO sick of this shit. Brickbat Jan 2013 #23

What an insufferable bigot. HOW could Obama choose him?!? forestpath Jan 2013 #27

figured as much dlwickham Jan 2013 #28

He's only going to sing one song! n/t QC Jan 2013 #30

And? This is like inviting Wayne LaPierre to speak at a mass shooting memorial Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #54

Obama is the true Christian in this story. spanone Jan 2013 #39

Oh? ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #60

But Jesus called the 'Christ' said never swear any form of oath, said never ever pray in public Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #148

But I just read somewhere that Metger Ever's wife is doing the prayer...first woman n/t Turn CO Blue Jan 2013 #41

She's doing opening prayer SpartanDem Jan 2013 #51

A disappointing choice. It is like saying Riley18 Jan 2013 #42

WTF. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #43

ix-Nay iglio-Gay !!! n/t agracie Jan 2013 #44

Why? What's the point of this Politicub Jan 2013 #47

heh. and the same ol' lame justifications reappear... KG Jan 2013 #48

Really does not make sense. Why not choose David duke. Really do not understand the wisdom of this still_one Jan 2013 #53

I'm bursting with pride! Obama is truly the President of ALL AMERICANS. MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #55

I imagine it's exhausting Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #61

Cabinet positions outsourced to Wall Street Banks who are corporate people? MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #67

Well, Third Way Manny...might be good that he isn't telling Jews to Go to Hell... KoKo Jan 2013 #78

(((Hugs))) idwiyo Jan 2013 #82

Cheer up, Manny. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #131

This is repulsive. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #59

you gave away the surprise halftime show Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #73

So, what's the excuse/brilliant strategy this time? idwiyo Jan 2013 #65

The Usual Crowd will be quiet tonight MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #79

Already started just look up the thread. idwiyo Jan 2013 #81

How COULD he?! I didn't think it was possible to get one worse than Rick Warren! MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #77

The Whitehouse just got a letter from me DonRedwood Jan 2013 #80

Me Too otohara Jan 2013 #83

Kick for the Diappointed who Expected Better! KoKo Jan 2013 #85

Are there any mega pastors out there who aren't hateful douchebags? Initech Jan 2013 #86

There are SO MANY to CHOOSE FROM... Must have been his Handlers? ya' think? KoKo Jan 2013 #108

What strikes me as funny is that if this "preacher" Volaris Jan 2013 #88

I'm sick of bigots like this getting validation of their hate filled rhetoric Major Nikon Jan 2013 #89

A thought just occured to me... Volaris Jan 2013 #164

jfc obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #93

Does jfc = Jubilee Fellowship Church? DURHAM D Jan 2013 #96

lol obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #110

Me too. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #118

yup obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #137

Deja vu all over again. Once again 'our' President delivers a big Fuck You to the rest of us. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #94

This is just fuckin' wrong!!! n/t TDale313 Jan 2013 #105

Have his views changed since the mid 1990s? Shivering Jemmy Jan 2013 #106

What is it with this guy and gay-hating preachers? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #111

Hey everybody... Louies coming to the inauguration. And he's gonna dip his balls in stuff.... Erose999 Jan 2013 #140

"taps" not being the operative word, I hope... Skip Intro Jan 2013 #117

/sigh cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #124

And so I won't watch this inauguration either Marrah_G Jan 2013 #125

He should stop doing this. JVS Jan 2013 #126

His second term hasn't even started and the outrage list is already getting long Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #128

Really?! WTF?! Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #129

Awful choice. Dump the chump. JohnnyLib2 Jan 2013 #132

What a terrible choice. historylovr Jan 2013 #134

On behalf of everyone who has been traumatized and damaged by "Ex-Gay" therapy and fucking religious Erose999 Jan 2013 #139

Not surprising Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #141

This seems to happen way more often than it should. n/t hughee99 Jan 2013 #147

Giglio has been dropped from the program brooklynite Jan 2013 #149

He has now been dumped. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #150

I expected this. Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #151

Of course no president has done more for gay rights in this country WI_DEM Jan 2013 #153

Who are "some people"? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #157

Ohhhh Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!! WeekendWarrior Jan 2013 #156

passion city sounds like an adult book store.. frylock Jan 2013 #158

Will those of you trashing the president now apologize? The pastor has been removed from the program Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #162

Why stop there? Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #166

Why not? I didn't get my pony yet. ;) Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #167

Why should I apologize? dbackjon Jan 2013 #168

Like hell I will. Your president should be the one apologising to LGBTQ community. idwiyo Jan 2013 #171

For what? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #178

Donnie McClurkin, Rick Warren, cardinal Dolan, Louis Giglio idwiyo Jan 2013 #179

For twice picking bigots with extreme views regarding our citizens for the Inauguration Marrah_G Jan 2013 #184

Look, here's how I feel about this: There have been Democrats who have made bigoted comments Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #190

I find your views in this matter to be extremely distasteful Marrah_G Jan 2013 #196

Sorry you feel that way but I'm standing my what I believe. You call it bigotry. Fine. That's on you Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #197

are you for FUCKING real? the pastor REMOVED HIMSELF from the program. boilerbabe Jan 2013 #172

Seems I read the pastor withdrew on his own Marrah_G Jan 2013 #183

Maybe, just maybe the president believes that by having Warren up there, sitting alongside Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #192

1. "trashing"? MNBrewer Jan 2013 #186

The defenders in this thread once again prove whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #165

Yup! dbackjon Jan 2013 #169

Very, very well said, thank you. nt Zorra Jan 2013 #175

+1 idwiyo Jan 2013 #177

That's it. yardwork Jan 2013 #188

Do "our" guys ever get a single moment in Obama's sun? RedCloud Jan 2013 #176

How can this be? bvar22 Jan 2013 #180

He withdrew ....here's the link. Doesn't make the whole thing smell better, though. KoKo Jan 2013 #187

Rick Warren, Part 2: The Sequel blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #193

Why are so many of you who believe in diversity so petty? underthematrix Jan 2013 #194

Petty, really? Marrah_G Jan 2013 #195