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AtheistCrusader

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68. As a pro-gun liberal

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 11:35 PM

Jan 2013

I agree with the OP. The Weimar Republic instituted broad gun control laws well before the Nazi's were a goose-stepping dream for Hitler. In 1938 he relaxed the laws for most except Jews, likely because he could count on the most likely people to arm-up, to be brown shirts anyway.

What happened in Germany doesn't excuse or explain why gun control measures have failed from time to time, and doesn't explain what did happen in Germany at all. I can point to some gun control measures in the US that have been a resounding success. For instance, the NFA registry has worked shockingly well. You don't need a whole hand to count the number of crimes committed with lawfully owned fully automatic weapons in the last 50 years. And when those guns get transferred to unlawful recipients, they can be tracked to the source, and someone has some 'splainin to do. In front of a jury.

I started a thread in the gungeon in DU2, long, long ago, advocating for registration modeled on the NFA registry. I bet you a dollar it'll happen in my lifetime. It's due. We can put a man on the fucking moon, we can come up with a registration scheme that helps prevent people from getting guns when their mental health, competence, or criminal background suggests contrariwise.

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The Rude Pundit - Sorry, Gun Nuts: Hitler Actually Relaxed Most Gun Laws [View all] meegbear Jan 2013 OP

Cheers For The Rude One, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #1

unfortunately RP is also feeding you half truths. nt Das Wort Jan 2013 #125

Oh, Do, Please, Instruct Me On the History Of the Period, Sir... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #129

"Das Wort"? Paladin Jan 2013 #134

! cyberswede Jan 2013 #141

Gehe nach Osten f�r das Vaterland hlthe2b Jan 2013 #142

Huge K&R Hugabear Jan 2013 #2

Simply admire the Rude one's ability to nail it to the wall every damn time. rustydog Jan 2013 #3

it's a messy whitewash article using half truths and exaggerations. Das Wort Jan 2013 #136

hmm...who to believe... cyberswede Jan 2013 #143

Shrug. closeupready Jan 2013 #4

K&R, along with a Takei-esque "OH, MY! This thread has epic potential indeed!" bullwinkle428 Jan 2013 #5

Lee, they're not gonna believe you leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #6

Let me just say.. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #7

Well done! Nt xchrom Jan 2013 #8

Buts our Delicate Flowers NEEDS... 99Forever Jan 2013 #9

I'm a little fearful, that the people they're arming against,... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #40

History SCVDem Jan 2013 #10

Gotta luv the Rudie! JEB Jan 2013 #11

Gun owners = nazis!!! Spryguy Jan 2013 #56

Actually there are many responsible gun owners. JEB Jan 2013 #99

Thanks for the lesson AnnieK401 Jan 2013 #12

Rudie nails it as usual malaise Jan 2013 #13

The most effective weapon in 20th century insurgencies was NOT the firearm, but the mine, alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #14

Actually your history is a little off. happyslug Jan 2013 #79

I appreciate the time you devoted to this, and the detail you added alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #85

You are missing how serious the fuel shortage was post 1941 happyslug Jan 2013 #151

good accurate info. nt Das Wort Jan 2013 #126

100+ Claybrains Jan 2013 #15

Love the Rude one. zeemike Jan 2013 #16

gun nuts make up their own facts - thanks for pointing this out samsingh Jan 2013 #17

I attended a "gun show", I'd say 15 years ago DefenseLawyer Jan 2013 #18

Wow - gun humpers LIE? Zoeisright Jan 2013 #19

'gun humpers' Indeed...many have amuse bouche Jan 2013 #69

Rude Louise Pundit! Aristus Jan 2013 #20

K&R X 1000 (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #21

"Its a nearly silent whoosh. you hear it? You think your semi-automatic whatever could stop it?".... Pachamama Jan 2013 #22

These guys, Jones etc, are the master gun salesmen Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #38

Sure, drones smacking into CONUS neighborhoods will go over real well with the general public... Elron Aven Jan 2013 #76

You missed the point. blackspade Jan 2013 #89

k+r! TeamPooka Jan 2013 #23

Fail - "even if they did ban all Jews from owning guns" FBaggins Jan 2013 #24

That Law, Sir, had Nothing To Do With the Deaths Of German Jews The Magistrate Jan 2013 #26

How? FBaggins Jan 2013 #28

That's ludicrous Hugabear Jan 2013 #30

It is Not My Duty To Educate You, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #33

WOLVERINES! Hugabear Jan 2013 #36

wonderful, Sir and thank you. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #52

Well taught, well said garthranzz Jan 2013 #70

Good Links, Sir: Thank You For Putting Them Up, People Should Read Them The Magistrate Jan 2013 #73

"The Jews of Germany were in a way the lucky ones" ??? FBaggins Jan 2013 #93

All You Are Doing Is Showing Your Ignorance, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #100

I have a feeling that a billh58 Jan 2013 #105

Amen. ellisonz Jan 2013 #110

Of course it isn't. But you should at least support your claim. No? FBaggins Jan 2013 #91

Like the NRA and so many of its supporters, billh58 Jan 2013 #95

"Ask yourself what Hitler's purpose was in putting that law into place." thucythucy Jan 2013 #96

I refer you to The Magistrate's excellent summary. FBaggins Jan 2013 #101

And you support the billh58 Jan 2013 #104

To which Magistrate post thucythucy Jan 2013 #116

Sound Points, Ma'am The Magistrate Jan 2013 #122

Just to let you know, thucythucy Jan 2013 #127

I Saw That, Ma'am : Figured It was Kindest Just To Leave It Alone.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #133

Okay, thanks. thucythucy Jan 2013 #137

One sided LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #31

Not really. FBaggins Jan 2013 #92

The Nazis took everything away from the Jews - including their guns. baldguy Jan 2013 #83

I'll tell ya what ... if the government ever acts to confiscate guns ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #94

You're missing the difference between laws and constitutional protections. FBaggins Jan 2013 #97

you are correct. The 1938 weapons act Das Wort Jan 2013 #128

Astoundingly.... DaveJ Jan 2013 #25

The VC and NVA lost over a Million Killed and most were never found. formercia Jan 2013 #29

The PAVN were in all respects a modern mechanized army alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #41

Hitler did restrict who could own a gun shiningseas1971 Jan 2013 #27

It appears as if you failed to read the OP, which clearly states what you just wrote. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #90

correct-a-mundo Das Wort Jan 2013 #135

So, that means Obama is worse than Hitler. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #32

Here's some of the "Nazi shit that shows up at gun shows:" LongTomH Jan 2013 #34

Such a disconnect LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #37

Swastikas is the Mark Of a Patriotic American, Sir...Where Have You Been Hiding? The Magistrate Jan 2013 #39

The Aryan Nations billh58 Jan 2013 #49

Honestly, Sir: They Are Our Patriotic Bulwark Against...Us.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #50

They're just collectors!!! ellisonz Jan 2013 #44

However, interest in Confederate and Nazi memorabilia in itself Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #71

certainly, collection of war related items has nothing to do with ideology. nt Das Wort Jan 2013 #131

Collecting Swastika Items, Sir, Generally Indicates A Fascination With Nazism, And Is Seldom Healthy The Magistrate Jan 2013 #138

So Lemmy of Motorhead is a fascist then? truebrit71 Jan 2013 #144

Never Met The Man, Sir: I Could Not Say The Magistrate Jan 2013 #145

The first Nazi coin I ever owned, Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #147

I Understand, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #148

vexillology is a perfectly valid activity... Elron Aven Jan 2013 #80

"Gun troll that thinks an interest in Nazi paraphernalia is a "perfectly valid activity." - Skinner ellisonz Jan 2013 #139

The root ideology of Nazism and the Confederacy were the same: thucythucy Jan 2013 #98

I love the rude pundit RedstDem Jan 2013 #35

There are a number of DU's regular gungeoneers conspicuously absent from this thread... Electric Monk Jan 2013 #42

They're probably "playing" with their guns. ellisonz Jan 2013 #43

Reminds me of a scene from "Shoot Em Up" Tempest Jan 2013 #102

Jews -- Gun Control -- and the Nazis holdencaufield Jan 2013 #45

I like the part where he says " ... even if they did ban all Jews from owning guns" in the first Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #47

And this is an argument against practical gun control in the 21st Century United States? ellisonz Jan 2013 #51

Another tangent -- called it holdencaufield Jan 2013 #53

I repeat: And this is an argument against practical gun control in the 21st Century United States? ellisonz Jan 2013 #55

Also - this is a contradiction: ellisonz Jan 2013 #57

When I fellate something ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #58

That's just wrong. ellisonz Jan 2013 #59

When it comes to contemporary antisemitism ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #60

So you think the OP is antisemitic? ellisonz Jan 2013 #61

Non sequitur holdencaufield Jan 2013 #62

Bahaha ellisonz Jan 2013 #64

I Suspect He Meant 'Aggravating Factor', Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #66

That's probably the case (pre-emptive Oy Vey) ellisonz Jan 2013 #67

"No one is saying that Gun Control advocates are Nazis, Nazi sympathizers or anything in that vein." baldguy Jan 2013 #84

True, Sir, Especially With The 'Hitler Was a Leftist' Line So Popular With 'Team NRA' Types.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #103

holdencaufield, that wasn't RP's point. DaveJ Jan 2013 #86

"[Hitler] was an evil psychotic gun lover." thucythucy Jan 2013 #117

"you are a traitor and kind of a dick" Politicub Jan 2013 #46

My favorite line in the whole article too. Curmudgeoness Jan 2013 #48

This is very informative but Jesus with strapon was a bit much eom LiberalElite Jan 2013 #54

The writer was the Rude Pundit. Statements like that are par for the course. Other than bluestate10 Jan 2013 #63

But you certainly can't bother the gun nuts or LaPierrs with facts! Initech Jan 2013 #65

As a pro-gun liberal AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #68

But why did Weimar do it? Elron Aven Jan 2013 #78

You cannot follow history if you are living a life of denial and paranoia. Rex Jan 2013 #72

K&R. )nt( Kurovski Jan 2013 #74

Are you sure about the Versaille Treaty? Elron Aven Jan 2013 #75

It is certain the treaty disarmed Germany Gibbon Jan 2013 #81

Rec Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #77

The Nazis did stage a coup Gibbon Jan 2013 #82

Good catch, and welcome to DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DainBramaged Jan 2013 #115

+1000 blackspade Jan 2013 #87

Closer to home actually was the rise of the NRA and the KKK, hand in hand n/t Sunlei Jan 2013 #88

Are you really ip5683 Jan 2013 #106

You May Have Made the Most Ignorant and Idiotic Statement In This Thread Yet, Fella.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #109

He jumps, he shoots...... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #113

And yet another troll billh58 Jan 2013 #123

Check some real history ip5683 Jan 2013 #107

Call that History, Sweet-Heart? that Ain't History --- This Is History.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #108

American Rifleman vol 149, we know fucking NRA propaganda when we see it DainBramaged Jan 2013 #111

Waiting For Alert Results Now, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #112

They simply think we are robots like they are, amazing DainBramaged Jan 2013 #114

This NRA troll billh58 Jan 2013 #119

Jury Botched It, Sir, But Notes To M.I.R.T. Put Them On It The Magistrate Jan 2013 #120

Thanks for all billh58 Jan 2013 #121

Isn't it amazing how contaminated the jury process is? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #130

What's MIRT? garthranzz Jan 2013 #149

The Malicious Intruder Removal Team ellisonz Jan 2013 #150

Real history billh58 Jan 2013 #118

I have specific insight Das Wort Jan 2013 #124

OK we're looking forward to that, especially the word for the day.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #132

We Wait With Bated Breath, Schatzi.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #140

So Near, And Yet so Far.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #146