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cthulu2016

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64. I agree with you

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 01:46 AM

Jan 2013

the really nasty anti-gun spammers—not everyone anti-gun—are as bad as Free Republic, as bad as Stormfront... they are actually the worst people I have ever seen on the internet. (Okay... except for the completely illiterate people who post racist comments on youtube, who are in a class by themselves.)

The gun people have practice with the arguments and run circles around the spammers, who are mostly idiots. The spammers realize they can't answer any of the questions posed and pitch a fit.

That is not to say the gun people's arguments are unassailable. They are just not assailable by reactive idiots.

And that is much of the frustration in the OP... any possible discussion has been shouted down, and not by the "gun nuts."

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If it's about guns, cool. If it's about people, count me out. [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2013 OP

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #1

"A gun control discussion that does not start with handguns is mere theater." Recursion Jan 2013 #2

It also needs to be done without insults obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #3

I do not defend taunting by gungeoneers cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7

Oh, I know! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #25

False equivalency Bake Jan 2013 #60

I agree with you cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #64

I keep waiting for Skinner et al. to shut down some of this but so far ... nothing. Bake Jan 2013 #73

Yes. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #30

Nice! Well said. A ray of sanity in the darkness. montanto Jan 2013 #4

"... there is great emphasis on gun enthusiasts and NRA members. " Scuba Jan 2013 #5

I believe only a small portion of gun owners belong to the nra. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #32

That's correct. The emphasis is on them, not your average duck or deer hunter. Scuba Jan 2013 #37

4.3 million NRA members vs. 300 million guns cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #41

Sorry, but the culture is as much a part of it as the guns themselves. Yesterday I got called a Erose999 Jan 2013 #6

Your use of "delicate flower" proves the point cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #9

Maybe "taken down a peg" wasn't the right word. I don't care about "scoring points" because honestly Erose999 Jan 2013 #11

I agree that gun culture contributes greatly to American gun violence cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #20

Exactly cthulhu's point sarisataka Jan 2013 #12

Hear, hear. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #48

I had a 30-06 deer rifle casually pointed at me some time after Thanksgiving Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8

I had a gun pointed at me by a family member who was also a convicted felon and had mental issues... Erose999 Jan 2013 #13

I think I've read your story before Fumesucker Jan 2013 #16

That same sherrifs office got into trouble shortly after that because guns that had been slated to Erose999 Jan 2013 #22

No doubt! Everyone holding a gun is a potential threat, redneck or yuppie cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #27

Beautifully said nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #34

Oh, you're right, military styled rifles are just a convenient scapegoat du jour. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #44

"prematurely anti-fascist" cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #52

My experience has been different. bvar22 Jan 2013 #38

Country music listening, skoal dipping, camo wearing, Baptist church going, Repub voting fireman Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40

I agree, completely, my fellow Minnesotan! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #70

The reason there is emphasis on NRA members is because they are the ones DanTex Jan 2013 #10

Well the Constitution is what's standing in the way davidn3600 Jan 2013 #14

people in rural areas are the ones that accidentally shoot their children and threaten to overthrow bettyellen Jan 2013 #18

First of all, it's not the constitution. DanTex Jan 2013 #24

Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #29

My money? So are you going to be challenging me to a $10,000 bet? DanTex Jan 2013 #33

It is functionally in the constitution cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #43

But what policies does Heller stand in the way of? DanTex Jan 2013 #50

What's being discussed in Washington or on DU? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #53

I don't see the problem with discussing a wide range of policies on the internet. DanTex Jan 2013 #58

Not really, but "sane" gun laws can't be discussed. krispos42 Jan 2013 #65

I haven't seen any discussion of microstamping at all in the wake of Sandy Hook. DanTex Jan 2013 #66

"If confronted with a person with a gun.... bunnies Jan 2013 #15

He didn't say "if a gun were pointed at me" Recursion Jan 2013 #17

"confronted" being the operative word... bunnies Jan 2013 #19

That's the way I took it too, a confrontation with an armed person is not a fun thing Fumesucker Jan 2013 #23

Your point is fair. I edited the OP in light of it. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #28

Exactly what is it... 99Forever Jan 2013 #21

Well said, K&R Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #26

But, this is about people. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #31

Some folks insist on hanging on those suicides because it inflates the number to something to go on TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #42

Well suicide by gun is gun violence. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #45

Beautifully said. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #49

Nonetheless, some part of (not all) gun suicides ought to be included cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #55

That is on them, their life and their choice. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #61

Why is it that pro-gun advocacy forces people into making bizarre and callous claims DanTex Jan 2013 #69

Most of those folks are ATTENTION SEEKERS rather than being serious about suicide TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #75

Gun availability has a big impact on suicide. DanTex Jan 2013 #68

This athiest who owns guns hootinholler Jan 2013 #35

A claim of pride in ignorance is chilling in all cases. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #39

There's heavy duty enthusiasm trolling happening on both sides I think. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #46

I have argued that often, but cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #47

Poe's law applies to DU damn near all the time I think Fumesucker Jan 2013 #51

Sounds eerily akin to how people of... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #36

In addition to registering, I think some sort of proficiency testing is a good idea REP Jan 2013 #54

Mandatory training, perhaps. Proficiency test, probably not. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #56

Well, if you suck driving ... REP Jan 2013 #57

I don't think we were missing each other cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #62

I was thinking the weapon be held at the testing facility until the test is passed REP Jan 2013 #63

This sort of thing... hootinholler Jan 2013 #59

People don't count? GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #67

As Bvar said, this is more of an idiot suburbanite problem Odin2005 Jan 2013 #71

What is "more of an idiot suburbanite problem"? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #74

A big rec. HappyMe Jan 2013 #72

I understand the sentiment. Unfortunately where I live, guns and right wing ideology go together Hoyt Jan 2013 #76