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socialist_n_TN

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91. Long time Marxist and fundamental Bolsheviki here......

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 01:55 PM

Jan 2013

so I should be consistent in my views.

And as a Marxist, I don't disagree about the market and, by extension, capitalism being the primary driver for progress. At least for the last few centuries. Even Marx and Engels held to the position that capitalism was a progressive system when compared to slave culture and feudalism. The problem with capitalism comes when it has outlived it usefulness AS a progressive system and begins to consistently do more harm for the masses than good. That point passed a while ago.

You're example actually proves the point. Capitalism and the market have taken economic power and bought political power to the point where even regulation isn't effective in combating the outrages. A slap on the wrist, which is all that most regulations require, is merely a cost of doing business. AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH "REGULATING" CAPITALISM. By it's nature the system will attempt to throw off any regulations put on it because it interferes with the free operation of the system. In this instance, I actually agree with the free marketers. I don't, however, agree with their expected outcomes.

I equate regulating capitalism with riding a tiger. It's VERY difficult to do and you're ALWAYS in danger of being eaten.

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Nestle Group -"Access to Water Is Not Your Right" [View all] Oilwellian Jan 2013 OP

Those assholes tried buying up land in Western Mass. Bonobo Jan 2013 #1

I have seen observations that the Kochs' most intense drive to power centers around the Great Lakes. patrice Jan 2013 #129

these ass hats don't get it. They are 1%. we are 99% with guns. I think it will be roguevalley Jan 2013 #159

Yuppies in the 80's made it a Starbucks kinda thing . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2013 #2

Here in south FL the water can be undrinkable. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #5

We have an inline water distiller for drinking & cooking water. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #34

Chlorine is rough on everything.... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #64

Yes, but since we only live on the surface, the analogy is false. eggplant Jan 2013 #115

How is it 'fear mongering' to promote a more accurate understanding dorkulon Jan 2013 #121

Because it implies that there isn't very much water (oh noes!)... eggplant Jan 2013 #123

It doesn't imply a thing. dorkulon Jan 2013 #128

I consider it facing reality, not fear mongering. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #183

Why so stupid???! tblue Jan 2013 #66

Growth... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #76

MIL lives down there--a new well was drilled for her community Maeve Jan 2013 #106

My son had a friend who lived in a community with only well water. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #109

Tell me about it. I lived there most of my life. RebelOne Jan 2013 #186

That reminds me of something Bainbridge Bear Jan 2013 #10

And Evian spelled backwards is naive. Fitting, I guess. bulloney Jan 2013 #70

At least with Perrier... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #170

It's so much better for people than buying pepsi, coke, and other bottled soft drinks. loudsue Jan 2013 #44

The essential question is: should human beings be denied access to potable water alberg Jan 2013 #72

I believe in Colorado it is still illegal to collect rain water teewrex Jan 2013 #75

It's legal now ybbor Jan 2013 #90

And...Remember the Bushies buying all that Land in Paraguay? AQUIFER! KoKo Jan 2013 #156

I've never bought any of those brands... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #3

Yeah, one thing Fl doesn't have is good water Ligyron Jan 2013 #119

Tampa tom_kelly Jan 2013 #164

If access to water isn't a right, then let's limit their access to air. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #4

If only there were a way... Oilwellian Jan 2013 #6

jail 'em. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #7

It started with the notion of pay toilets Wednesdays Jan 2013 #11

Pay toilets have been around for a very long time, billyclem Jan 2013 #113

+1,000. Privatization is the new Apartheid. The Rich will live, the Poor will die. freshwest Jan 2013 #162

And the sad fact is the taxes would be less than the "market" price. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #163

It is a religion. Capitalism is faith based and has more followers than any other brand. Really. freshwest Jan 2013 #165

Not a great comparison. It costs nothing to deliver air to you. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #17

Clean air costs money too NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #21

No, that's different. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #26

Not far off, probably... superpatriotman Jan 2013 #84

Yup. theaocp Jan 2013 #152

Trust me, someone sat down and calculated the amount of air the human body uses in a lifetime,... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #93

No doubt. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #96

A face pillow for each one of 'em. nt valerief Jan 2013 #20

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Where did he get that creepy looking human costume? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #9

Right? His eyes look painted on demwing Jan 2013 #36

Somebody has to build an infrastructure to deliver drinking water and take care of sewage. It costs. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #12

What you describe... Oilwellian Jan 2013 #40

Privatization of public utilities covers a broad spectrum. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #43

Yes. The taxpayers of my state and county paid. PotatoChip Jan 2013 #52

None of that has to do with any need for them to own the water. Pay for the service? Sure. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #97

It's a philosophical difference. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #98

If they could find a way to meter how much air they breathed gollygee Jan 2013 #13

If the air became so polluted that it was dangerous to breathe ... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #15

They could sell the technology to the government gollygee Jan 2013 #19

Agreed! Same thing with water systems? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #22

As long as it was overseen gollygee Jan 2013 #23

Left on their own to make decisions, private companies may deny service due to lack of payment. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #29

Exactly! gollygee Jan 2013 #30

I would say that that depends on who polluted the air in the first place..... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #81

Interesting post! Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #87

Long time Marxist and fundamental Bolsheviki here...... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #91

Great stuff. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #94

Let me add a bit about micron sized particles billyclem Jan 2013 #117

Not an engineer, so let me see if I can sum this up....... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #147

Taking the plot off the original Total Recall hugh PatrynXX Jan 2013 #14

Back in the 70s sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #16

Yeah, good ole Nestle! Happy to see someone else remembers this history. Thanks. nt mountain grammy Jan 2013 #39

I remember that - many churches boycotted SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2013 #102

NOW Nestl� is infiltrating US cities by paying money vanlassie Jan 2013 #153

Find out how many are using a public or municipal water source.... Historic NY Jan 2013 #18

You're talking about bottled water, right? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #32

Yes, Exactly... Historic NY Jan 2013 #56

It's true that chlorine can screw things up. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #59

I have an answer to these corporate monsters: 99Forever Jan 2013 #24

I'll be right back with the pitchforks to help irisblue Jan 2013 #33

I think they deserve to suffer what they intend to inflict Generic Other Aug 2013 #193

Buying water never made any sense in the first place. DireStrike Jan 2013 #25

Or even better, try to get people not to join with hands with them by investing in Wall St. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #27

For the apologist for the capitalist system............. socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #28

And what might that be? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #31

If you need to be told... 99Forever Jan 2013 #38

(oh! it's a secret!) Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #41

close? Not even. 99Forever Jan 2013 #42

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #45

Hint: watch the video MNBrewer Jan 2013 #51

I watched the whole thing. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

yes, if you watched the video, you have your answer MNBrewer Jan 2013 #60

socialist_n_TN is quite capable of expressing his/her own opinion. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #67

The person in post #28 didn't seem to think so MNBrewer Jan 2013 #151

Yep that's it in a nutshell MN..... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #78

I guess only... 99Forever Jan 2013 #71

OK, I'll play.... socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #48

Ok. I was pretty close. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #57

being cryptic isn't clever BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #61

Sorry it you considered my first answer cryptic........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2013 #79

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How would a revolution help? nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #172

Oh. I imagine if they privatized water, an essential element for survival, it would just happen Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #174

Thanks. I never buy bottled water but I will take care to avoid Nestle products. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #37

Nestle also makes lower-grade candy bars. Generic Other Aug 2013 #194

In Colorado, we have water and sewer "districts." mountain grammy Jan 2013 #46

Wow. One rarely sees such unctuous evil on display MNBrewer Jan 2013 #47

But he presents it so well..... formercia Jan 2013 #63

"free market" means free of rules, regulations, oversight and free of rights on your part pasto76 Jan 2013 #49

Part of this Nestle debate is related to formula gollygee Jan 2013 #50

Also, it is expensive so the mother has to dilute the formula to make it last. alfredo Jan 2013 #105

I NEVER buy water. RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #53

I buy the store brand nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #55

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Nestle Group -"Access to Water Is Not Your Right" Snarkoleptic Jan 2013 #62

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Going back 15,000 years or more Speck Tater Jan 2013 #82

So it's not really a right The2ndWheel Jan 2013 #101

If 1000 people need water and there's only enough for 10 of them Speck Tater Jan 2013 #103

I don't buy ANY bottled water. BTW if you use a tap filter, the water is delicious, cheaper, safer? joanbarnes Jan 2013 #85

Much of the bottled water is tap water. alfredo Jan 2013 #107

Water is necessary. oldandhappy Jan 2013 #86

Thank You oldandhappy Jan 2013 #88

If you want to avoid Nestl� vanlassie Jan 2013 #155

At one point they actually considered a way of metering solid waste flushed.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #92

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This video caused a huge argument between me and the Missus. Chichiri Jan 2013 #99

Thank you for verifying the translation Oilwellian Jan 2013 #122

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That reminds me of... Oilwellian Jan 2013 #126

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Disgusting n/t Oilwellian Jan 2013 #127

Capitalism = the rationalization of psychopathic behavior. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #108

Right! Snarkoleptic Jan 2013 #112

What am I missing here? All water is sold for a price already. nt Takket Jan 2013 #110

I'm on a well, no cost for water here Fumesucker Jan 2013 #131

I live in the boonies and draw from a well Oilwellian Jan 2013 #148

oh yeah, forgot all about wells lol Takket Jan 2013 #154

Screw Nestle TheGov97 Jan 2013 #111

The subtitles, while weirdly implemented War Horse Jan 2013 #114

Water costs me about $30 for 2500 gallons each month. FarCenter Jan 2013 #116

Someone needs to let him know that continuing to live isn't necessarily *HIS* right. Matariki Jan 2013 #118

My thoughts .. sendero Jan 2013 #130

Psst... Hey Nestle Group !!! - FUCK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2013 #120

LOL WillyT...tell it! n/t Oilwellian Jan 2013 #149

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Bectel got kicked out of Bolivia because it's hard line on the people. They were even alfredo Jan 2013 #135

Next we will hear that they own the air and if we do not pay, we can expect to have a bag put over DhhD Jan 2013 #125

They don't own the sun and that's why solar energy has been so slow being deployed. alfredo Jan 2013 #137

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Any source material on that? alfredo Jan 2013 #136

Capitalism nineteen50 Jan 2013 #133

yep. this has to STOPPPPPPPPPPPP Divine Discontent Jan 2013 #138

Our government? Why our government? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #143

Los Angeles city water is great, yet the idiots who live here insist on BUYING water. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #139

Controversial Trade Pact Text Leaked, Shows U.S. Trade Officials Have Agreed to Terms That Undermine farminator3000 Jan 2013 #140

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More sociopathic douchebags trying to control our resources for their wealth. Initech Jan 2013 #142

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We should start a petition to deport these clowns PD Turk Jan 2013 #145

Not my right? brandonk Jan 2013 #146

Thanks, Oilwellian.... ReRe Jan 2013 #150

You're welcome Oilwellian Jan 2013 #187

Thanks for the link to... ReRe Jan 2013 #189

K &R Champion Jack Jan 2013 #157

More free market crap. blackspade Jan 2013 #158

Poland springs is better anyways..... kaboom15 Jan 2013 #160

Nestle owns it now, and they are draining our (Maine's) aquifers. GreenPartyVoter Jan 2013 #179

Next, they'll insist they have the right to harvest it Ilsa Jan 2013 #161

What About those Air-to-Water Machines? triplepoint Jan 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author savebigbird Jan 2013 #182

What the corps are saying is Third Doctor Jan 2013 #167

Like they say on South Park... Kurovski Jan 2013 #168

Control wrenken Jan 2013 #169

. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #171

If we don't have the right to access water... the devil Jan 2013 #173

Stop buying water? I have a better idea. Scootaloo Jan 2013 #175

Just remember Bechtel and Bolivia ChachaCha Jan 2013 #176

I prefer the brand, Tap. tavalon Jan 2013 #177

Stop buying bottled water nublecrusher Jan 2013 #178

As Maude Barlow said: marmar Jan 2013 #180

Excellent contribution to the discussion n/t Oilwellian Jan 2013 #188

Revelation is at hand. Republican Family Values (Europa Style) Berlum Jan 2013 #181

K&R! countryjake Jan 2013 #184

moland spring otherone Jan 2013 #185

i'm disgusted with nestle - i won't be buying any of their products if i can help it samsingh Jan 2013 #190

this is another romney 47 moment samsingh Jan 2013 #191

i'm boycotting nestle samsingh Jan 2013 #192

Someone put the video on private Generic Other Aug 2013 #195

Nestle responds to its critics by lying Generic Other Aug 2013 #196