"If You Don't Want to be Reminded of an Unpleasant Reality, Don't Ask to be Reminded"

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63. that fact is just really irrelevant to a discussion though

Person A: Obama's stimulus program sucks
Person B: So you want a Republican to win?


Yes, we all know that Republicans winning is a horrible thing. The worse thing seems to be that even when we donate, walk and vote for change, all we get is more of the same. We voted for change in 2008, and yet we got four more years of the Bush tax cuts. We voted for change in 2008, and yet we have a President proposing economic stimulus right out of the Reagan/Bush playbook and using basically the same lies to promote it.

Obama has betrayed those who supported him again and again and again, and at least pert of his low approval ratings are due to that fact. You cannot expect people who feel betrayed to be enthusiatic supporters of the POS who betrayed them. I use POS because they will likely see that person as a POS. A traitor is going to be seen as worse than an enemy. The enemy you expect to attack you, so you can understand that, but when the supposed friend puts a knife in your back, well that is unforgiveable.

I strongly suspect that the signing of the NDAA is not as huge a betrayal as it is being made out to be, ironically in much the same way that the supposed Bush memo that supposedly authorized arrests of war protestors was not really as bad as was claimed here and by supposedly unimpeachable witnesses like Ray McGovern.

It would just be nice to discuss the facts of the NDAA instead of partisan loyalty or electoral pragmatism that are not really relevant to the merits or demerits of the NDAA.