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ProSense

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Wed Jan 25, 2012, 02:44 AM

Jan 2012

The speech STARTED with two big lies

#1. The Iraq War made the USA more secure as a nation.

#2 The Iraq War made the USA more respected around the world.

...that's not what he said.

Last month, I went to Andrews Air Force Base and welcomed home some of our last troops to serve in Iraq. Together, we offered a final, proud salute to the colors under which more than a million of our fellow citizens fought - and several thousand gave their lives.

We gather tonight knowing that this generation of heroes has made the United States safer and more respected around the world. For the first time in nine years, there are no Americans fighting in Iraq. For the first time in two decades, Osama bin Laden is not a threat to this country. Most of al Qaeda’s top lieutenants have been defeated. The Taliban’s momentum has been broken, and some troops in Afghanistan have begun to come home.

http://news.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/obama-i-intend-to-fight-obstruction-with-action.php

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The speech STARTED with two big lies [View all] Bonobo Jan 2012 OP

That's classified information. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #1

Actually, more like false information, since he never said either of those things. TheWraith Jan 2012 #53

It is what it is and it's done. Did not detract from anything else he said. Why rehash bushitler? lonestarnot Jan 2012 #2

Now that we are basically out of there..... FrenchieCat Jan 2012 #3

Continuing the lie is NOT acceptable. Bonobo Jan 2012 #4

+1 Scuba Jan 2012 #12

No it isn't, and should be acceptable... because it sets up a precedent fascisthunter Jan 2012 #24

hmph chervilant Jan 2012 #65

Why do you hate America? guitar man Jan 2012 #5

I questioned that as well. grasswire Jan 2012 #6

Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it. limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #7

George Costanza for president! Initech Jan 2012 #8

Serenity now!!! Serenity now!!! FLyellowdog Jan 2012 #9

100% accurate. donheld Jan 2012 #10

Except ProSense Jan 2012 #11

Damn you and your facts ProSense!!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #13

Prosense is way off on this one. But staying with her/his theme. Logical Jan 2012 #29

Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #32

I would never trust your "analysis" of anything Obama said. Nothing against you but too biased. Logical Jan 2012 #33

Well, ProSense Jan 2012 #35

Your opinion of course is not the truth. But I think you know that already! n-t Logical Jan 2012 #36

The heroes the President mentioned were the troops who were sent to Iraq. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #59

And why are people who sign up for the military automatically heroes? Arugula Latte Jan 2012 #62

Wait, you bolded the exact point if the OP! How did Obama not say that? Logical Jan 2012 #14

Damn you and you logic, Logical!!!!! Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #17

"this generation of heroes" was what he said hfojvt Jan 2012 #50

While I don't often agree with what you say Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #16

How did the troops in Iraq make this country safer and more respected? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #60

That's exactly the point. Bohunk68 Jan 2012 #68

Well, I do understand it, Bohunk. I also understand that no president can sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #69

And how exactly is that different in a meaningful way? Bonobo Jan 2012 #19

Because he said the _ending_ of the war made us safer, not the war. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2012 #23

Ridiculous. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #25

Did it realy make us safer? MinervaX Jan 2012 #26

How many more would be created by continuing the war? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2012 #28

How is the original text essentially different from the Campbell's condensed version? leveymg Jan 2012 #22

Bigger lie "The Taliban�s momentum has been broken" FarCenter Jan 2012 #40

"safer and more respected" progressoid Jan 2012 #52

Agreed. mmonk Jan 2012 #15

USA! USA! Mission Accomplished! Did we find the Ho Chi Minh Trail? Are the Sioux on the run? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #18

LOL mmonk Jan 2012 #20

By the same reasoning, wouldn't another couple wars make us even more "secure" and "respected"? leveymg Jan 2012 #21

I feel Obama is wrong bigwillq Jan 2012 #27

You are correct, Bonobo. hifiguy Jan 2012 #30

Discuss? No DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #31

the desperation grows as it becomes clear he will be in office for 4 more years. dionysus Jan 2012 #34

So does his pandering to the Right-wing - "Mission Accomplished," in other words leveymg Jan 2012 #37

The Cult of Hero Worship for the military is a permanent part of American politics DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #38

What, you mean there aren't enough anti-war voters to elect him? redqueen Jan 2012 #41

I have no idea what your point is here. DefenseLawyer Jan 2012 #44

I meant that you're right. redqueen Jan 2012 #45

Well said Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #55

OP manufactures a lie about things not said. madamesilverspurs Jan 2012 #39

No, it didn't... SidDithers Jan 2012 #42

Bingo. n/t wakemewhenitsover Jan 2012 #43

The SOTU had some good stuff last night, bvar22 Jan 2012 #46

I don't come around here much anymore. When I pop in and read arguments like this tranche Jan 2012 #47

your listening skills are lacking Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #48

Good catch n/t librechik Jan 2012 #49

But Obama did NOT say "the ending". moodforaday Jan 2012 #56

I was sitting in a group of people for this speech, woo me with science Jan 2012 #51

And that very spin may actually weaken our safety... countryjake Jan 2012 #54

And both lies got standing ovations Toucano Jan 2012 #57

And, continued that way. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #58

The US proudly remains number one in all things military. sad sally Jan 2012 #61

It's a rhetorical trick rudycantfail Jan 2012 #63

Good analysis. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #66

Who won the Iraq war anyway? Prometheus Bound Jan 2012 #64

Well... chervilant Jan 2012 #67