General Discussion

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)

50. Yes and no

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 11:51 PM

Jan 2013

I rec'd this because I think the OP makes an important point about high school.

I think the problems in high school are less about bullying as much as they are about academics and about the focus put on different things.

Hear me out: socially, high school is hell *but* it doesn't count. 4 years after high school, nobody cares if you were the class nerd or the captain of the football team.

Academically, high school does count, and it counts for a lot, but it's also an easy place to be a fuckup.

My high school was less jacked socially than a lot of other schools were. All the cool kids were in drama, and sports were an afterthought. The captain of the cheerleading squad was also the ASB president, active in the black student union, and the valedictorian.

Back in the day, there were areas that I really struggled in and areas that I really excelled in, and it was true for my friends, too.

I think we need a big, big push to get arts, music, drama, and all kinds of other activities back into the classroom, and I think we need to give these things value, and make a big deal out of them.

It takes the same amount of money to hire a good drama teacher as it takes to hire another cop, but hella kids from my school went on to work in acting, and I don't know a single cop from my cohort. If we have more people in drama, we need fewer cops, but the converse is not true.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

61 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Why we keep having school shootings [View all] Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 OP

Sure. Why not? Also, put the people who allowed them to get their hands on guns in prison. onehandle Jan 2013 #1

Whoosh!!!!! nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2

I don't doubt this could be A reason. I doubt it is THE reason HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #3

Good post malaise Jan 2013 #4

I never thought about shooting up my school. Of course my high school marybourg Jan 2013 #5

Bullies didn't exist before 1999? lynne Jan 2013 #6

School shootings go back further than 1999 too. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #8

And those who said it was the result of bullying got it wrong Major Nikon Jan 2013 #22

It was also during the Assault Weapon Ban Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #12

Harris was popular. He wasn't bullied. Recursion Jan 2013 #13

He was also a monster who taunted his victims before killing them Major Nikon Jan 2013 #23

in Columbine the Killer Harris was the Bully JI7 Jan 2013 #27

Yes, it was those mean old bullies at Sany Hook elementary that made Lanza go off, MadHound Jan 2013 #7

Actually, yes. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #9

ok Dr Frist. dionysus Jan 2013 #56

Disagree on one point sarisataka Jan 2013 #10

1.The bullying meme has been refuted in re: Columbine MichiganVote Jan 2013 #11

No, it really was not refuted. Not well or decisively. DevonRex Jan 2013 #15

+1,000,000 alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #26

Yup. Same people screaming about bullying in schools, let their offspring MichiganVote Jan 2013 #29

Going postal... loyalsister Jan 2013 #14

The youth who killed at Columbine were Sociopaths. They felt nothing. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #24

You know this from loyalsister Jan 2013 #30

8 years of research. And yes, we DO know this about these killers. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #31

We don't really know that though. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #59

Would anyone here consider a broader look at this problem? Rapunzel_39 Jan 2013 #16

Starts with the structural problems nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17

Off the Deep End? Rapunzel_39 Jan 2013 #18

The article argues on globalism nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #19

Structural Issues Rapunzel_39 Jan 2013 #20

You can have the discussion without going to ct territory. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #21

Okay then, we won't go there, Nadin. Rapunzel_39 Jan 2013 #32

I don't talk of "globalism" nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #33

Globalism isn't a four-letter word Rapunzel_39 Jan 2013 #35

Sorry, no, not in Alex Jone's terms. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #39

This is the appropriate place for increased mental health services in the schools. libdem4life Jan 2013 #25

Most of the Mass Shootings are not because of Bullying, this was one case and the kid targeted those JI7 Jan 2013 #28

That part right there: Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #34

The main reason why there is more violence in the U.S. is due to the high level of hate propaganda. AdHocSolver Jan 2013 #36

Mexico has more gun problems but no school shootings rightsideout Jan 2013 #37

The children of Sandy Hook hadn't bullied that young man. tblue Jan 2013 #38

"Bullying" isn't the problem; it's sociopathy duffyduff Jan 2013 #40

Right. And in the schools, we watch them grow up. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #49

what a dim and repulsive op, hon. cali Jan 2013 #41

And thus we see why the problem Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #45

In the history of mass murder by teens in their schools there have been exactly lunatica Jan 2013 #42

"how many teens killing their fellow students - bullies or not? 4? 5? half a dozen? "- source here green for victory Jan 2013 #51

Is that supposed to make my comment wrong? lunatica Jan 2013 #54

. Go Vols Jan 2013 #43

your op is just so wrong on so many levels cali Jan 2013 #44

Who says it justifies? Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #47

well let's see, you frickin' call the victims of those shooters cali Jan 2013 #48

They are monsters. Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #55

oh those vile little monsters in Newtown CT. cali Jan 2013 #57

The Columbine Shooters loose wheel Jan 2013 #46

Yes and no XemaSab Jan 2013 #50

... FlyDaddy145 Jan 2013 #52

An excellent movie on this subject is "Murder by Proxy." JDPriestly Jan 2013 #53

Here are some of the "monsters" of Newtown Floyd_Gondolli Jan 2013 #58

And by bringing up Newtown Pab Sungenis Jan 2013 #60

You are a very sick person Floyd_Gondolli Jan 2013 #61