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In reply to the discussion: Hitler was not a leftist [View all]Kennah
(14,578 posts)177. Something from politicalcompass.org
http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq#faq19
Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.
Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country political, ethnic, religious whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.
Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!
But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners all of them deeply hostile to socialism were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.
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One could argue the Nazis were RW socialists, who sought to protect and socialize the interests of corporations, much like today's Republican Party.
Why is Hitler slightly right? The Nazis were socialists, so they weren't fascists either.
Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country political, ethnic, religious whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.
Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!
But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners all of them deeply hostile to socialism were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.
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One could argue the Nazis were RW socialists, who sought to protect and socialize the interests of corporations, much like today's Republican Party.
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Nazism is a far-right ideology. Socialism is a misnomer, like the Democratic Republic of Congo
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#6
She could crosspost the link, but I'm not surprised. Lots of people don't know what
patrice
Jan 2013
#14
Poster was PPR'd. I'm glad it showed its true colors flagrantly enough for MIRT to notice.
MH1
Jan 2013
#165
Hitler himself once said "The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all"
Xithras
Jan 2013
#133
No, Hitler welcomed money from bankers and industrialists, both German and international
leveymg
Jan 2013
#153
Matt Drudge just made himself sound like both a con-man and a drooling buffoon.
Jamaal510
Jan 2013
#30
No point in me giving my opinion on this thread, because if I don't agree I will be blocked.
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#32
Your post calling Hitler a leftist was hidden because it was a false statement denigrating those
Lars39
Jan 2013
#34
Oh well, let's all agree with the OP. No room for any other opinions here.
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#41
You are wrong. Just ask NeoNazis what they believe. They have webpages that explain it all.
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#99
We can't have a two-way discussion, because those that don't agree are censored.
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#42
Those who claim false right wing propaganda talking points are true are censored
gollygee
Jan 2013
#45
Not on this thread, no. Nobody can give that opinion without being banned.
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#47
WE ARE GIVING YOU A CHANCE to clear up your accusations but you just want to play violin.
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#63
You'll get double points if you can find us a Neo-Nazi group made up of Liberals
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#64
Ha! Imagine that! When I think Nazi's I think universal healthcare & equality for all!
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#69
Anarchist covers a broad political scale from far-left (syndicalists) to far-right (anarcho-capitali
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#80
Hate to break it to you but the left is not not averse to smashing property to
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#120
They don't get arrested because they are law enforcement, they serve the causes of the 1%
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#121
Some are but all those skinny 18-28 year old are not law enforcement but
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#122
Not to argue their legitimacy either way but there is a logical fallacy built in there.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#175
Hitler was very opposed to socialism and didn't want the word "socialist" to be used
gollygee
Jan 2013
#40
It's such an absolute no-brainer, as well as being a staple of the RW arsenal of stupidity...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2013
#60
You're NOT banned. That's why you're still able to leave comments. We believe in facts, truth, data,
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#72
I have been accused and found guilty and banned from a thread for giving an opinion
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#75
He was a racist psychopath, but, and now I cannot give my opinion because I will
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#83
It appears that you are doing everything YOU can to avoid substantiating
Luminous Animal
Jan 2013
#90
If you believe the nazis were leftists, you are wrong in a way that harms modern society. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#194
Okay, you are right and I am wrong. I am ahistorical and you are not. I get it.
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#92
I'll accept that as a concession that you have no idea what you are talking about. n/t
ellisonz
Jan 2013
#94
So you say big government can be given a label of left and right. What is your definition of left?
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#128
The left focusses on the dissolution of unnecessary class, gender and similar distinctions.
sibelian
Jan 2013
#147
Those things can be done because of socialism, or else because of a desire for
gollygee
Jan 2013
#95
By their reasoning, the United Soviet Socialist Republic were republicans, right?
nytemare
Jan 2013
#104
Sooo...the national debt hasn't risen from 10+ Trillion to $16.4 Trillion?
FlyDaddy145
Jan 2013
#110
If your crew didn't set the house on fire we wouldn't need to spend so much repairing the damage
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#117
Flydaddy, whilst I don't agree with some of what you say, including the debt which isn't the major
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#129
Yes, Obama has got spending under control and gets no credit for it. Most people
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#131
He/she says far-right is no government? Is that why they advocate for an oppressive police state?
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#119
Who are you to insist that other posters call themselves Democrat in their posts?
Democratopia
Jan 2013
#130
Conservatives in the US are redefining right and left using Reaganesque thinking.
andym
Jan 2013
#172
Fascism is right wing. Authoritarian is authoritarian no matter what ideology drives it.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#173
Indeed. Hitler's policies pretty much all go against what the average progressive leftist belives in
davesliberal1977_gg
Jan 2013
#187
The Nazis killed 200,000 disabled people because they were expensive to feed. First teabaggers? yes.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2013
#193