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92. Facts for our pro-NRA "pro gun progressives"* are like garlic to a vampire: but that chart is

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:42 PM

Jan 2013

irrefutable.

All I've seen in this thread from that quarter is spin, spin, spin, and deflect and obfuscate. Facts are not on the "law abiding gun owners" side, and neither is history: meaning gun control is coming to America, and that means no more deadly assault rifles or 30 round magazines and, eventually, then end of the "concealed carry permit" save under the most stringent of circumstances, and for cause only.

That's right, "pro gun progressives": the day of the "Shall Issue" state is coming to an end, and in our lifetimes. Bank it.

Good OP; Kick, Rec.

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Impact of Assault Weapons Ban - Illustration- [View all] Mira Jan 2013 OP

Yeah, but quibble, quibble, quibble over the definition of "assault weapon". Scuba Jan 2013 #1

Really. How in the billh58 Jan 2013 #107

The fallacy of this particular argument hack89 Jan 2013 #2

You're ignoring the question ... GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #11

If the AWB had no impact on the sale of military style semi-automatic rifles hack89 Jan 2013 #13

The AWB did not significantly affect what could be bought. Period. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #22

are you saying we need a better ban? nt d_r Jan 2013 #101

but there were fewer sold and high capacity magazines were not being sold Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #25

Who says fewer were sold? hack89 Jan 2013 #29

Actually sales increased, and high capacity magazines were still sold Recursion Jan 2013 #31

near-assault-weapons were still bought and sold. krispos42 Jan 2013 #80

I did some checking... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #90

Look at the link - "Colt California Compliant Rifles" hack89 Jan 2013 #96

And speeding laws are poorly written... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #98

We are talking about the accuracy of the OP's graphs hack89 Jan 2013 #99

The fact that the number after the ban expired is more than twice what it was before the ban... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3

Question- How many of those killings involved assault weapons? Were there more incidents or larger KittyWampus Jan 2013 #15

Or slower police response times Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #94

But... but... but... *the precious* doesn't kill people... 99Forever Jan 2013 #4

"The Precious." Kinda says it all. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #6

The majority of mass shootings are committed by handguns hack89 Jan 2013 #5

And yet the overall homicide rate is down nearly 50% krispos42 Jan 2013 #7

Down from when, my cherry-picking friend? And where? Robb Jan 2013 #8

All you did is highlight that a subsection of one age group shifted.You didn't refute anything. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #16

Actually, that it didn't. Robb Jan 2013 #28

Info on types of guns used in mass shootings. Interesting. Not wanting to argue with anyone KittyWampus Jan 2013 #33

This chart speaks volumes bighart Jan 2013 #108

Absolutely right... OneMoreDemocrat Jan 2013 #110

From the peak in about 1991 or so. krispos42 Jan 2013 #81

A reduction in violence of 3% over 30 years is "progress"? Robb Jan 2013 #82

No, you're misreading the numbers. I'm probably being unclear. krispos42 Jan 2013 #89

The murder/manslaughter rate in 1991 was 9.8 per 100,000. It is now 4.8 hack89 Jan 2013 #97

The Virginia Tech Shooting happened in 2007. LAGC Jan 2013 #9

How many rounds in each clip? if it was more than 6, they were "high capacity" jpak Jan 2013 #19

10 rounds. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #20

Cho used standard capacity magazines, IIRC 10 Recursion Jan 2013 #27

+1 Timbuk3 Jan 2013 #24

The Glock had a 15 round magazine ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #36

We could limit (even handgun) magazines to 6, but it only takes a split second to reload. LAGC Jan 2013 #38

Several points ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #42

How many shooters were actually stopped while reloading though? LAGC Jan 2013 #46

At least 3 in recent years - but possibly more ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #56

A misleading chart Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #93

Not at all ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #102

Some points adieu Jan 2013 #58

Feinstein's bill: LAGC Jan 2013 #63

agree with number 1 Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #64

I was referring to the adieu Jan 2013 #66

And like second-hand smoke, extended responsibility for children in the home. libdem4life Jan 2013 #79

Wow, you sound very proud of his accomplishment Dragonfli Jan 2013 #67

I would be interested in seeing another graph Separation Jan 2013 #10

Worst school mass killing in US history Timbuk3 Jan 2013 #26

I think this has some pretty good info. Separation Jan 2013 #12

looks like most of them Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #35

Awesome graphic...thanks for posting. Dryclean Jan 2013 #14

Yet, Lanza's exact weapon would have been purchasable under the AWB. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #17

How many shootings involved assault weapons? Were there more incidents or larger body counts? KittyWampus Jan 2013 #18

Take a look at this Separation Jan 2013 #21

This reaffirms my position that we need to address violence in general�not just guns KittyWampus Jan 2013 #23

I would like to see the ban on assault weapons reinstated. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #30

What will that do? Recursion Jan 2013 #32

It would limit the number of bullets that can be fired rapidly. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #34

No, it wouldn't. That's what we keep trying to tell you Recursion Jan 2013 #37

Simply changing the grip will not stop the killing. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #44

Yes, I know. This is why the Assault Weapons Ban is so infuriating Recursion Jan 2013 #49

I agree. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #51

thank you Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #52

Yeah, I'm leaning towards rescheduling as Class 3 under the NFA Recursion Jan 2013 #55

Then what WOULD be effective? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #75

As I said, banning semi-automatics with detachable magazines Recursion Jan 2013 #77

Can you tell which one of these were banned? One of these were banned, and one was legal. Separation Jan 2013 #39

No. I cannot. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #43

The larger image is the banned rifle. Separation Jan 2013 #47

You've made your point. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #53

By "Looking"? Without the specs, no. ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #59

If you assume they are both functional semi-automatics, you can tell by looking Recursion Jan 2013 #60

no it would not Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #40

Ok. So we've got to revamp the law. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #41

right Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #48

. . . In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #50

staying off topic Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #65

Unfortunately, the data doesn't lend itself to use of arithmetic mean HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #45

and yet, i've had people posting the exact opposite stats over the past few weeks samsingh Jan 2013 #54

"Shooting" in general has been dropping pretty steadily for 20 years Recursion Jan 2013 #62

why don't we call it gun deaths or injuries samsingh Jan 2013 #68

Gun deaths and injuries are going down Recursion Jan 2013 #69

that's because we aren't safer samsingh Jan 2013 #70

But we are. You are less likely to be murdered or die in an accident today Recursion Jan 2013 #71

do you feel safe about our schools and in movie theatres? samsingh Jan 2013 #73

I do. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #74

not more irrational than stockpiling weapons to fight the government in the event samsingh Jan 2013 #85

Sure...but that wasn't the question. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #88

Certainly more safe than 20 years ago Recursion Jan 2013 #78

Correction: gun injuries are not down. DanTex Jan 2013 #91

The AWB would not have prevented any of the gun violence we have seen madville Jan 2013 #57

The graph is misleading, the bans are more at fault for this graph than the weapon is madville Jan 2013 #61

"post hoc ergo propter hoc" Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #72

Why do you think it more than doubled from 1982-1994? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #76

Graphs and statistics fail at the most basic of the idea of the cost of weapon mayhem. libdem4life Jan 2013 #83

+++++standing ovation marions ghost Jan 2013 #84

Thank you. As is obvious, it's deeply personal. libdem4life Jan 2013 #86

Thanks for writing this... Agony Jan 2013 #87

Facts for our pro-NRA "pro gun progressives"* are like garlic to a vampire: but that chart is apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #92

So the fact that military style semi-automatic rifles were legal during the AWB is spin? hack89 Jan 2013 #100

Facts for our pro-NRA "pro gun progressives"* are like garlic to a vampire: but that chart is apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #104

I skipped over the fantasy portion of your posts. hack89 Jan 2013 #105

Ooohh...the poster still has problems with the reading portion of the reply(s). That's unfortunate. apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #109

I enjoy silly games as well as the next guy hack89 Jan 2013 #111

k&r... spanone Jan 2013 #95

stop confusing the gun lovers with facts.... bowens43 Jan 2013 #103

Prior to 1989 Go Vols Jan 2013 #106