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224. if you think it's a big deal, stop arguing against people who think climate change is a big deal

Sun Jan 13, 2013, 10:50 PM

Jan 2013

and if you don't think tens of millions of Bangladeshis being displaced by rising seas is not a doomsday scenario for our world --yes, doom does not have to kill all 7 billion of us to be "doom"...

then stop arguing against people who think that things like this example is part of a "doomsday" scenario and stop arguing that it's so unrealistic.

it would be one thing if you did that just once in a while --but for someone who claims to believe in global warming, almost ALL YOUR POSTS on the topic are devoted to saying a version of:

"it's not that bad" "
it won't be that bad"
"you can't prove it will be that bad"
"everyone saying it's that bad is just a "DOOMER" "

it's why you got blocked from the climate group a SECOND time.

you know, whatever you say you believe, when you spend all your posts arguing against that thing --people get the idea that you don't believe it.

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..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #238

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