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96. Funny thing about that. If you listen to the video Freshwest posted above, you realize the 800 pound

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 02:23 AM

Jan 2013

gorilla in this room is the United Nations, so overlap between Chomsky who is authentically Left + what calls itself "the Left" these days and may or may not actually BE the Left + those right wingers you refer to - ALL - of that mitigates AGAINST development of the United Nations into what it needs to be, a more just force for good in the world, and thus relieve the USA of its not so well sustained burden of being "policeman to the world" (which Chomsky describes in that video above).

As much as I agree with some of this stuff coming from "the Left" in principle, I cannot let myself off on this point: the overlap that you refer to with right wingers WORKS AGAINST "the Left's" priorities for economic/social justice and peace. No matter how fine their principles are, they have their pragmatics, the tactical stuff, ALL wrong.

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Noam Chomsky blasts Obama: He has no moral center [View all] babsbunny Jan 2013 OP

Just lost all respect for Chomsky. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #1

I'm sure he'll be crushed. dorkulon Jan 2013 #10

Ha ha ha! Good one! man4allcats Jan 2013 #27

No more or less than President Obama would be. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #85

Just like Sy Hearsh was about Viet Nam. kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #141

Did he try to burst your comfortable denial bubble. Shame on him. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #93

+1 Fearless Jan 2013 #111

Did you ever have any respect for Chomsky to begin with? - n/t coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #107

Because he dared criticize President Obama??? Bake Jan 2013 #135

Hang on, I must be missing something here, this is the guy us and Chomski were waiting for buddybrown Jan 2013 #153

Is that English? (n/t) leftynyc Jan 2013 #154

You are the person CJCRANE Jan 2013 #159

LOL! you've never heard of him!! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2013 #184

Chomsky said the same of Jimmy Carter alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #2

True, Carter "terrorized" the Indonesian people banned from Kos Jan 2013 #18

Don't forget Carter's "devil's bargain" with Pol Pot alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #26

Considering that Chomsky's Pol Pot apologism, that's rich. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #58

And he was correct then as well. Right and wrong are real measures and one's capacity Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #32

"a black activist had recounted a story " Itchinjim Jan 2013 #3

I was guessing Alice Walker. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #13

He's basing this opinion on a second hand story? Wow ! virgogal Jan 2013 #4

No, that is not what he is doing. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #127

Plus, I heard Obama's just like Hiter. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #5

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #37

Do you have a graphic, or are you wasting the few posts you will get here on DU? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #40

Is that Strawman #1 in this thread or #2? nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #38

#2, just behind ... "Obama has no moral center". JoePhilly Jan 2013 #41

Errr, ummm, Joe... that is NOT a strawman. Bonobo Jan 2013 #44

Correct ... it was actually a lie ... and not a strawman. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #45

It is called an "opinion" and I agree with it. Bonobo Jan 2013 #46

The funny thing about opinions ... JoePhilly Jan 2013 #50

Your point is muddled. Bonobo Jan 2013 #51

I accept you point as true on its own terms. I'm not here to argue against it. I just really patrice Jan 2013 #94

Thank you, Patrice. Bonobo Jan 2013 #97

Thanks very much for your thoughtful reply. I can see that, like me, you don't think any of this is patrice Jan 2013 #99

Your logic is easily refuted by simply reversing its terms. Consider the following: coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #110

You communicated this beautifully siligut Jan 2013 #123

Beautifully stated. DevonRex Jan 2013 #130

Well, hell, that settles it. Let's all regroup at InfoWars now... freshwest Jan 2013 #48

Thank goodness for people like Noam Chomsky who aren't afraid to state the obvious. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #6

Hey Commander Buzzkill, we are trying to have a flamefest here! Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #8

LOL my bad, please proceed limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #15

Oh salinen Jan 2013 #23

+ 1 peacebird Jan 2013 #9

"Nice way to take a long, intelligent interview,... cheapdate Jan 2013 #36

Yes, it is called "fucked up, manipulative cherry picking" where I come from. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #39

YES!!! Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #7

I bet he does, Noam. I'm just vexed by where it lies. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #11

+100 nt truebluegreen Jan 2013 #21

It may be selective G_j Jan 2013 #68

I saw Chomsky speak at my college last year graywarrior Jan 2013 #12

The only way to get a president to change arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #25

I like to re-watch his debate with Buckley from time to time Major Nikon Jan 2013 #66

I should do that! graywarrior Jan 2013 #67

'a group of african american women were disappointed' says it all for me spanone Jan 2013 #14

I'd like to know who they were... Hekate Jan 2013 #19

The old white guy trick of blackwashing--cherry-picking or inventing geek tragedy Jan 2013 #122

He's a President, not a Priest jberryhill Jan 2013 #16

And that's the truth. And frankly, if he was a priest, DUers would melt down... Hekate Jan 2013 #20

the first he mentions morality in the interview Enrique Jan 2013 #24

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #31

Being a sociopath is pretty much a requirement to want to be the President. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #33

I would like to see you repeat that the next time... Bonobo Jan 2013 #42

That's a matter of being human jberryhill Jan 2013 #47

On his part, yes. Bonobo Jan 2013 #49

What a nasty thing to say about your fellow DUers. You just don't respect us at all, do you? DevonRex Jan 2013 #133

More tedium leftynyc Jan 2013 #156

Right? DevonRex Jan 2013 #162

Do you think he/she leftynyc Jan 2013 #164

I don't know. DevonRex Jan 2013 #166

Pedantic? I'll take that any day over the trash talk, curse-filled bitterness you spill. Bonobo Jan 2013 #175

Yawn leftynyc Jan 2013 #176

12:30 to 18:00 in the video Enrique Jan 2013 #17

Well I'll be up all night.. one_voice Jan 2013 #22

Anyone, ANYONE, who criticizes our leader is a fool Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #28

Oooh, ProSense Jan 2013 #30

Oh, SNAP!!!! Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #54

No, he's just another fraudster who says stuff to get himself attention rather geek tragedy Jan 2013 #56

I have been wondering why this bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #65

Nice post count. Been here under a different handle before? geek tragedy Jan 2013 #73

I was agreeing with your statement about the poster above. bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #84

Sorry, thought comment was directed at me. Sorry for being an ass. Nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #87

No problem.. bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #89

Yeah, and here I thought your manners were improving . . . patrice Jan 2013 #90

"put Osama bin Laden in the same category as Robert Kennedy Jr" Why in God's green Number23 Jan 2013 #102

That's "Dear Leader" datasuspect Jan 2013 #116

They are not of the body... L0oniX Jan 2013 #137

Wait, ProSense Jan 2013 #29

And equating observation and criticism to hating is? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #34

And character assassination is not critical analysis. freshwest Jan 2013 #80

Another bit of hyperbole from Chomsky. Anything for attention. nt pnwmom Jan 2013 #35

The old "He just wants attention" thing... Bonobo Jan 2013 #43

"Obama has no moral center" is not a progressive belief. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #57

No, that is just an opinion. Bonobo Jan 2013 #62

"I disagree with his policies" = "he has no morals" is a mindset geek tragedy Jan 2013 #74

Nice try. Bonobo Jan 2013 #77

Sure, just like Rush Limbaugh is allowed to question the morals geek tragedy Jan 2013 #81

"Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, Noam Chomsky?" Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #101

It's certainly true with Nader. n/t pnwmom Jan 2013 #69

What's up with this? That's not analysis, it's more like rumor without foundation. Disappointed. freshwest Jan 2013 #88

Chomsky gets more media attention by making hyperbolic statements than pnwmom Jan 2013 #104

I have listened to him for years. Maybe he's slowing down. Or maybe I didn't notice this. freshwest Jan 2013 #105

Chomsky keeps his record perfect: he does not like any US presidents. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #52

The word that comes to mind is ideologue. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #60

It's easy to take on that role when you provide philosophical guidance .... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #63

I'd say he has an excellent "moral center" NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #53

Amazing how many fraudsters like Chomsky pretend to know the inner psyche geek tragedy Jan 2013 #55

"fraudsters"? fascisthunter Jan 2013 #61

Anti capitalists who use Romney-style tricks to dodge taxes geek tragedy Jan 2013 #82

yes, you are 12 fascisthunter Jan 2013 #189

Yes, judging a person based on their actions is absolutely INSANE! nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #64

"He has no moral center" is a statement of personal hatred not a policy geek tragedy Jan 2013 #71

No it isn't. It is an opinion about the man's ethics and morality. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #75

Sure, just like the prognostications of UsWeekly readers on the geek tragedy Jan 2013 #76

Pffft. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #78

+ 1 eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #83

Your post certainly does raise questions of credibility. dgauss Jan 2013 #70

Eh, what Chomsky's fanboys and fangirls think of his geek tragedy Jan 2013 #72

"Fraudsters like Chomsky" - I'm surprised I had not yet put you on Ignore. But there's coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #112

does he have other suggestions? samsingh Jan 2013 #59

That's ridiculous treestar Jan 2013 #79

+ 1. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #86

He's sounding more and more like a right winger. One of the 99 Jan 2013 #91

Funny thing about that. If you listen to the video Freshwest posted above, you realize the 800 pound patrice Jan 2013 #96

The President Of The United States revealed his lack of moral center to DevonRex Jan 2013 #92

Agree. Please see my post #94. patrice Jan 2013 #95

That's fucking disgusting. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #98

lol Number23 Jan 2013 #100

Indeed. Apparently, the most salient point about these women is that they are "African American." msanthrope Jan 2013 #125

Is the statement supposed to be more powerful coming from "disappointed black.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2013 #103

Oh come off it! Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #106

It's sad that that needs to even be said. nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #108

Thank you Kingwithnothrone Jan 2013 #109

Ah, but you see, to Obama's defenders, the dead and wounded aren't 'civilians' but rather coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #114

Some of the defenders act like children Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #119

Are you talking about leftynyc Jan 2013 #158

And some of us know that perfection doesn't exist but expect a little more Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #172

Ah - sorry I missed the memo leftynyc Jan 2013 #174

You're muttering angrily while hunched over a can of reheated Campbell's soup, aren't you? nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #177

Nope-taking a break leftynyc Jan 2013 #178

HA!! + a million. It must be bad when something this popcorn-drenched gets a whopping 18 recs Number23 Jan 2013 #188

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #113

No, you come off your moral high horse and stop condemning everyone geek tragedy Jan 2013 #115

Only one relevant question here Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #117

There is such a thing as distinguishing between policy-based critique and geek tragedy Jan 2013 #121

Sorry, but I do have to wonder about someone who thinks that keeping the Afghan war going Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #126

Um, Obama is planning to end our presence in Afghanistan. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #143

But he widened it--added more troops--before he "planned to end it" Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #148

Yeah yeah, voting for Obama was a sin. Got it. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #165

You are getting desperate enough to argue like a right-winger Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #182

You seem to be in quite the rush leftynyc Jan 2013 #167

Oh that old canard Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #171

What an infantile argument leftynyc Jan 2013 #173

Your reply is incoherent Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #180

An economic model leftynyc Jan 2013 #186

Bingo Marrah_G Jan 2013 #118

This little anecdote reeks of bullshit. He had to mention their race to give it credibility? DevonRex Jan 2013 #131

He's only saying what many of us have suspected Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #134

He lied in saying it. He used fictitious "African American activists" to smear Obama DevonRex Jan 2013 #138

And do you have proof that it's not true Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #149

... DevonRex Jan 2013 #161

+ a million YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #139

I would have been just fine with a drone strike to Tora Bora and number of other targets after 9/11. msanthrope Jan 2013 #142

Bush wanted an Iraq War so badly he could taste it Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #150

+1 leftstreet Jan 2013 #146

Principles can be ANYTHING, e.g. End Times, so some people base their "morality" on the facts patrice Jan 2013 #157

NO!, Obama has no cream filling? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #120

If Chomsky wanted to get that "quote" out there... NCTraveler Jan 2013 #124

Ya just read he thinks Obama is worser than Bush. Rex Jan 2013 #128

My new definition of insanity - whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #129

Like that guy in Uruguay? nt tama Jan 2013 #170

He's a self-important asshole. zellie Jan 2013 #132

Way to refute his points... YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #145

What points? leftynyc Jan 2013 #168

What points? It's a fairly long interview-- he made more than a few. Marr Jan 2013 #187

The morality of politicians is always questionable. Centrist politicians even more so. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2013 #136

How dare he criticize our president? ...and L0oniX Jan 2013 #140

Chomsky did not say that "Obama has no moral center" YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #144

I'm with you ann--- Jan 2013 #152

Replace politics with sports and there is not much difference Marrah_G Jan 2013 #163

well,obviously that is true. But if he did, he would never have been elected President of the United Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #147

Do we really need even lesser evil? tama Jan 2013 #169

but we don't live in a world without power hierarchies and we do not know if such a world is possible Douglas Carpenter Jan 2013 #183

Choises are scale dependent tama Jan 2013 #185

He's a corporatist ann--- Jan 2013 #151

Brilliant man BigDemVoter Jan 2013 #155

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2013 #160

Name One President That Had A Moral Center Yavin4 Jan 2013 #179

if chomsky really "thinks" this of President Barack Hussein Obama - hopemountain Jan 2013 #181

When our guy does it, it's fine! woo me with science Jan 2013 #190