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ProgressiveProfessor

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2. Some clarifications

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:51 AM

Jan 2013

1) Permits are not public information in most places. The Journal News fiasco, in addition to nearly killing the paper, exposed LEOs and others who should not have outed. The result is that where permits have been public, there are now moves to restrict access to the data.

2) MI is not the only state that differentiates between long guns and handguns.

3) There is no state anywhere that does background checks of the entire household. Neither does the Feds. However, it is a felony for someone who has lost their firearms rights to have access to guns or ammunition. To use your example, if the GF locks her pistol up and the felon boyfriend does not have access, its fine. If he does have access its illegal and both can and should be charged.

4) There is no definitive list of who has what anywhere. Its been pretty much that way for generations

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I am F*CK*NG PISSED. Michigan Gun Laws Written by the Mob?!?!? [View all] IdaBriggs Jan 2013 OP

Would you expected better from the Tbaggers in Lansing? Denninmi Jan 2013 #1

nope heaven05 Jan 2013 #59

Yeah, well, FightForMichigan Jan 2013 #82

sorry heaven05 Jan 2013 #84

I was just being silly FightForMichigan Jan 2013 #90

Got it heaven05 Jan 2013 #98

Some clarifications ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #2

When a "background check" is done for the FBI or other government entity IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #5

Owning a gun is not a government job. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #7

Tracking them - like we do cars and cold medicine - should be. nt IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #12

Cars are regularly seen in public, guns aren't. That's the big problem. Recursion Jan 2013 #32

In foster care momrois Jan 2013 #52

^== This. The systems are in place. USE THEM. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #54

It's pretty much like that in the entire country. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #3

Even in DC during the gun ban you didn't have to register a rifle or shotgun Recursion Jan 2013 #35

AR-15's are considered rifles because they are rifles. Recursion Jan 2013 #4

I am saying they should be called GUNS and I want GUNS tracked. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #8

What incentive will the drug dealers have to register their guns? Recursion Jan 2013 #15

You are pretending to play the fool. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #21

How small do you think the number of currently illegally-owned guns is? (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #22

One guy tried to bring a plane down with a bomb in his shoe. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #37

I do not understand the analogy Recursion Jan 2013 #39

Stop if from increasing, of course. Duh. nt IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #61

Oh, Lord no. This would increase it significantly Recursion Jan 2013 #79

ROFL! And then when a law abiding citizen took them to a shooting range... IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #80

You seem to want a lot? atreides1 Jan 2013 #55

You are being OTT in asking for "Household members" Background Checks. ESPECIALLY with your WinkyDink Jan 2013 #6

I disagree. If its good enough for employment, then its good enough for guns. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #10

But it just isn't "just like a car". beevul Jan 2013 #93

The state of MI registers pistols michreject Jan 2013 #9

Why does this make me want to throw up? IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #11

Thank you michreject Jan 2013 #17

When I asked how the police verify this, the answer was "they don't/can't." IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #26

OK, what's a way they could verify that? Recursion Jan 2013 #30

The internet has search engines. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #40

Law enforcement tends to contract with the exact same services Recursion Jan 2013 #41

How about we start with RUNNING THE CHECK IN THE FIRST PLACE? IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #43

What check? There's no check they can run Recursion Jan 2013 #44

I have to disagree here. MessiahRp Jan 2013 #46

I assume the logic behind it is triage. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #48

A gun is a gun is a gun. Parsing seems stupid, especially when you can "parse" UZIs - IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #49

If a gun is a gun is a gun AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #50

3% x 10,000 = 300 per year. 300 x 10 years = 3,000. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #51

Less than that, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #56

The Common Sense suggestions promoted in this thread so far -- IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #60

I don't object to background checks at all. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #62

In a background check, the feds know what sort of gun you're buying JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #19

It does for pistols michreject Jan 2013 #36

Florida has no registration at all HockeyMom Jan 2013 #24

I agree 100%. Private transfers are a real problem. Recursion Jan 2013 #31

MI has the same SYG law michreject Jan 2013 #34

I wish they had open carry HockeyMom Jan 2013 #38

"My husband offered to do this "for" me at a gun show since he has his CCW" Kennah Jan 2013 #91

Of course HockeyMom Jan 2013 #103

The background check only covers the purchaser nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #13

Why not? It is COMMON SENSE and the only people with a problem are criminals. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #14

It may be common sense nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #20

You're mostly correct michreject Jan 2013 #23

Read post 20 nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #25

Article I, Section 9 : no bills of attainder AngryAmish Jan 2013 #16

Therein is the problem HockeyMom Jan 2013 #27

I don't trust the "honor system" - I am a "trust, but verify" person. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #29

Do you think that registration of place of residence should be obligatory for all citizens? JVS Jan 2013 #18

This information is currently available via internet search engine for most of the population. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #28

How about laws in place to prevent felons and other pipoman Jan 2013 #33

You know, I was starting to calm down. I really was - a calm, rationale discussion IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #42

I know that "enforce existing laws" is an NRA talking point, but there really is a HUGE gap here Recursion Jan 2013 #81

NY Sullivan Act were also 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #45

Your own analogy is flawed. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #47

Post facto enforcement: Buy gun. Provide registration. LEO run checks. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #53

I'm personally ok with that sort of check AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #57

In brainstorming mode, drunk drivers have to "blow clean" before their car starts. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #64

Two points there: NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #66

At what point do you believe registering *all guns* as opposed to *pistols only* IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #68

Response: NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #76

Well, we agree with enough to get started reforming based on those. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #85

There are a lot of reforms that can be made. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #88

But the drunk driver is a very different creature from a speeder. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #67

Ah, because the criminal we *don't want to know about* because we can't do a database check IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #71

I am loathe to associate 'rational' with the NRA in any capacity AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #74

Now this is getting ridiculous. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #58

The right not to have my kid killed because we went to McDonalds, the mall or school IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #63

Violation of the Constitutional protections for people is NOT common sense! NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #65

If I have reason to believe a crime is being committed - "straw man" - IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #69

If you get a warrant signed by a judge, with probable cause, then there is no issue. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #72

Actually, my proposals all involve using reasonably available information -- IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #86

As long as a judge approved it. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #89

Those have been the laws here in Michigan for years. Kaleva Jan 2013 #70

Apparently there was a change in December. Things got looser, thanks to Lame Duck Crap. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #73

I've owned rifles and carbines for a long time now and I don't know what got "looser". Kaleva Jan 2013 #78

So *anyone* can walk into Bass Pro Shop and walk out with a rifle (no check) - IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #83

No, you still have to go thru a background check if you buy a rifle at Bass Pro Shop Kaleva Jan 2013 #87

I am F*CK*NG PISSED. Michigan Gun Laws Written by the Mob?!?!? maryland native Jan 2013 #75

Welcome to DU. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #77

There are so many laws covering prescription drugs Tsiyu Jan 2013 #92

So, in a nutshell, you're upset that the cops can't stop people from breaking the law? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #94

Look, you guys take this "right" and turn it into an infinite entitlement Tsiyu Jan 2013 #95

OP was about cops being unable to stop illegal transfers. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #96

Many gun-humpers don't want transfer laws Tsiyu Jan 2013 #97

I never said do nothing. I think several measures will be effective. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #99

Just wait Tsiyu Jan 2013 #100

So basically, your prediction is that the blood will be running in the streets? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #101

We didn't have the economic hardships then that we have now Tsiyu Jan 2013 #102

Buht yoo got a RAHT to keep as many guns as you want... Taverner Jan 2013 #104

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I was asked for an opinion concerning a reply to this OP......... wandy Jul 2014 #106

Darn it - I missed the troll! IdaBriggs Jul 2014 #107

Someone has to make a record that not all Democrats support a total surveillance police state. ActualCommonSense Jan 2016 #108

Welcome, where was this "it was cited as an example of a Dem. Und. actual post"? thanks. uppityperson Jan 2016 #109

Thank you for reminding me of this 3 year old post; treating guns like cars IdaBriggs Jan 2016 #110

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Yup uppityperson Oct 2016 #115