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Hugabear

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61. Sorry, but people should have the right to know who in their neighborhood is armed

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:30 PM

Jan 2013

Gun ownership should be public record. Don't want your name to be publicized? Then don't own guns.

There is absolutely NO constitutional protections guaranteeing your right to own guns secretly. There IS a first-amendment right to publish anything that is public record.

My right to know if my neighbors are armed supersedes their right to remain anonymous.

If someone has a legitimate fear of having their name published (law enforcement, stalking victims, etc) - then they can get a court order to have their names withheld. But if you have a gun just because you want a gun, then you should be part of the public record.

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A White Plains home listed on the interactive gun map was burglarized Sunday morning... [View all] Earth_First Jan 2013 OP

Most likely coincidence. Westchester is outside 5 borough's, many own guns upstate. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #1

The Journal News is published in Westchester County, not in the 5 borough's of NYC nt brush Jan 2013 #23

As someone that lives in NY, robbing a house upstate is where alot of legal gun owners live. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #33

Westchester is not "upstate," however. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #78

were the firearms stolen? RedstDem Jan 2013 #2

The report states that the safe where the firearm was stored was tampered with... Earth_First Jan 2013 #6

so it wasn't to deliberately steal guns because they be prepared to deal with a safe. Coincidence. bettyellen Jan 2013 #17

Have you seen videos of idiots trying to steal ATMs? pipoman Jan 2013 #20

As my cop friends say, we can only evaluate the ones we catch riqster Jan 2013 #80

That doesn't necessarily follow. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #30

the gungeoneers have it covered with five different theories - any two of which use opposing logic. bettyellen Jan 2013 #41

So what? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #57

so, people see through it for the BS that it is. bettyellen Jan 2013 #67

Fine... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #69

Plus, if you were to burglarize a home I'd imagine a safe is where you would check for valuables. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #35

But I thought if the bad guys KNEW there was a gun HockeyMom Jan 2013 #3

People who would put up a sign saying there are guns in the home are stupid Marrah_G Jan 2013 #9

Like Those "This Truck Protected By Smith & Wesson" Bumper Stickers. Paladin Jan 2013 #47

+1 denverbill Jan 2013 #10

Not all of the criminals check out the details or know how to read. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #54

They put up signs because they are stupid. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #59

Did they steal the guns? Iggo Jan 2013 #4

Looks like there was an attempt to take the guns siligut Jan 2013 #15

No - there was an attempt leftynyc Jan 2013 #55

It was a gun safe siligut Jan 2013 #63

I'm indifferent - I think the leftynyc Jan 2013 #70

In my experience gun safes do look different siligut Jan 2013 #73

Wait, why would publishing the name of a gun owner PROMOTE a burglary? Atman Jan 2013 #5

To steal the firearms? Indydem Jan 2013 #13

A quicker, higher resale crime... Earth_First Jan 2013 #14

To steal the guns. HappyMe Jan 2013 #22

No, it sure as hell isn't "rocket science." Atman Jan 2013 #32

What a load of tripe. Indydem Jan 2013 #68

Good! bongbong Jan 2013 #90

Well it would be rocket science to come up with an explanation treestar Jan 2013 #98

It wouldn't, except in the fevered imagination of gun nut imbeciles alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #34

Atleast this owner was responsible enough to have them locked in a safe Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #7

^this^ frylock Jan 2013 #83

Any houses not on the list burglarized on Sunday? Downwinder Jan 2013 #8

This is the only correct response. Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #29

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #36

That flushes another argument down the toilet KingFlorez Jan 2013 #11

Except that once you strip away anonymity... krispos42 Jan 2013 #37

That's a big stretch Atman Jan 2013 #43

That isn't the point.... KingFlorez Jan 2013 #51

"Coincidentally or not"?? What horseshit. Robb Jan 2013 #12

So you supported the wholesale promoting the names and addresses of these owners? Earth_First Jan 2013 #18

Regardless of what I support, your OP remains horseshit. Robb Jan 2013 #19

Strawman. They never made such a claim. Tempest Jan 2013 #40

Leaves me speechless, so... 99Forever Jan 2013 #16

Well, for once I agree with the gun nuts on something WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2013 #21

Exactly. HappyMe Jan 2013 #25

Then the gun OWNER should be held liable. Atman Jan 2013 #44

You can drive without christx30 Jan 2013 #77

This is a real non-story gollygee Jan 2013 #24

I guess we'll just have to disagree... Earth_First Jan 2013 #26

Something else that would also decrease the movement of illegal firearms gollygee Jan 2013 #28

Really? Earth_First Jan 2013 #31

WAIT WAIT WAIT...you belive it is IRRESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE TOOLS TO CRIMINALS??? Atman Jan 2013 #48

Who said anything about providing guns to anybody here? Earth_First Jan 2013 #49

You said it was irresponsible to provide tools to criminals. Atman Jan 2013 #53

Some days you just miss having the unrec button Johonny Jan 2013 #27

+1. The poster is having a problem with cause/effect. No evidence of it. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #42

Have a link to support this? nt msanthrope Jan 2013 #38

Here's a link: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #100

So much for deterrence. rug Jan 2013 #39

In closing, I was not aware that this is a RW, NRA meme... Earth_First Jan 2013 #45

For too many if you don't hate gun owners/ownership SpartanDem Jan 2013 #52

hit.nail.head Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #58

LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #92

Your premise is predicated on the logical fallacy, post hoc ergo prompter hoc LanternWaste Jan 2013 #99

LOL. Guess the gun didn't stop the perp. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #46

Get Back To Us When You Have Something Beyond "It's Possible." Paladin Jan 2013 #50

I wonder... Orrex Jan 2013 #56

Just wondering.... ReRe Jan 2013 #60

Sorry, but people should have the right to know who in their neighborhood is armed Hugabear Jan 2013 #61

You do not have a right to know what your neighbor owns. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #71

If they own a gun, then yes I should be able to know Hugabear Jan 2013 #95

Thankfully a vast majority disagree with you. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #96

So? How many houses were burglarized that weekend? jberryhill Jan 2013 #62

4 houses recently; 3 of which do NOT appear on the Journal News Map... VOX Jan 2013 #65

White Plains police: Burglary's connection to Journal News gun-permit map 'pure speculation' VOX Jan 2013 #64

It will take an admission by the burglars... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #72

Owning a gun increases the chances you or someone you know will be shot. hunter Jan 2013 #66

You can also find that house on Zillow and Google Earth upaloopa Jan 2013 #74

Burglary usually occurs when no one is home. nt NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #75

So what are you saying here? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #87

You may "know" an NRA talking point. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #88

Neither of those would tell you much about the contents, though. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #76

One robbery meh nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #79

If your premise is correct, how in the name of everything logical does having a gun Chorophyll Jan 2013 #81

A home invasion is different. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #82

I understand that, thanks. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #86

A quick access combo handgun safe opens in two seconds. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #89

of four houses recently burglarized in white plains, only one was included on the list.. frylock Jan 2013 #84

But doesn't this also mean that burglers also knew which homes DID NOT have guns??? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #85

So having a gun didn't prevent the burglary. Kaleva Jan 2013 #91

Why would it? No one is home. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #93

This is moronic. Having grown up near White Plains, I can say that 5 homes are robbed there on any Squinch Jan 2013 #94

It would be silly for gun supporters to generalize from that treestar Jan 2013 #97

Did house next door - with "No gun zone" sign - - get robbed? Hoyt Jan 2013 #101