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63. It's better to have and not need then to need and not have...

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 01:45 PM

Jan 2013

It seems that a lot of gun control proponents have a misconception about gun owners. Since most of the people I know own guns, I feel safe with the following generalization:

Gun owners aren't looking to shoot someone. We don't walk around carrying assault rifles hoping someone will break a law so we can play hero. Gun owners hope they NEVER have to use it. This is why a lot of gun owners get training and carry permits. This is why a lot of gun owners lock up their weapons. They want to make sure nothing "accidental" happens but it's still there in case of an emergency.

I don't think I'm paranoid. I think I'm prepared. I have insurance in case I get into a car accident or my health goes bad. What insurance do I have if my life is being threatened? Yes, we have police, but if someone wants to do me harm, they will do so immediately and not wait the 10-15 minutes for the police to show up.

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To our friends who claim they need guns to protect them from the Government [View all] DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP

Once you shoot your first ATF- oder FBI-agent, you are gonna be an all-american hero. DetlefK Jan 2013 #1

Aim 'fer deh blue helmits. Dur hur hur. Dash87 Jan 2013 #20

I am yet to see that meme here or in real life. The closest I ever get is people concerned about ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #2

I've seen it here. progressoid Jan 2013 #8

... n2doc Jan 2013 #3

Yup. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #31

Precisely Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #79

If they're so concerned about the government coming to get them, why not cut military funding a bit? ck4829 Jan 2013 #4

cut it * a bit* backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #6

It is also just a variation on Suicide by Cop. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #5

There are some people in Laos, Viet Nam, Cambodia, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan SQUEE Jan 2013 #9

Apples and Oranges obviously. In those countries it was us against an entire country. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #14

my buddies.. giggle. SQUEE Jan 2013 #30

Yes, you are right. There are other things plethoro Jan 2013 #35

you and your buddies that dispise [sic] the left are in a very vocal minority.. frylock Jan 2013 #88

giggle..again SQUEE Jan 2013 #106

being that the military is a microcosm of society as a whole.. frylock Jan 2013 #119

The main problem with this theory is that in those campaigns the US Still cared about most UN and stevenleser Jan 2013 #132

wow, you really think SQUEE Jan 2013 #141

Thats the problem with your theory, its a catch 22. stevenleser Jan 2013 #143

on this we agree SQUEE Jan 2013 #152

They were not successful in opposing our military jeff47 Jan 2013 #15

wow SQUEE Jan 2013 #33

I don't know about Neocon formercia Jan 2013 #46

Today they're neocons. The same philosophy has existed for a long time under different names jeff47 Jan 2013 #110

Excellent!........nft plethoro Jan 2013 #19

What are you trying to say? nt Javaman Jan 2013 #26

So you think you could do that here?? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #40

Me? no plans at all to. SQUEE Jan 2013 #50

Did Uncle Wayne billh58 Jan 2013 #44

Nope, got it from Uncle Sam SQUEE Jan 2013 #48

Because they defeated our military and overthrew our government? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #103

With the possible exception of Iraq, all of those were receiving material assistance from outside. Adsos Letter Jan 2013 #109

again I am not doing squat.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #153

Yeah, Iraq was a cakewalk (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #11

The Iraqis had an army, and air force Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #101

Unless 51% of the troops agree with the insurrection. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #16

Well any military who defy orders in the heat of battle run the kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #27

You don't really know sarisataka Jan 2013 #47

Over restricting high capacity magazines and assault style weapons? Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #105

It's more of this question: "might there ever come a time.." NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #112

No, this conversation has context. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #123

I'll give you that, however I don't let freeper NRA turds speak for me. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #126

These idiots believe the military will join them. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #28

Still waiting for the government to come after me Franker65 Jan 2013 #7

Getting people to live in fear is $$$ SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2013 #24

Also, if people hate their government it lets business do as they wish.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #39

Big bidness is reducing government to the size they can hire their own thugs to do it. freshwest Jan 2013 #60

Their dream is to link business to government so talking back to your boss is Treason. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #96

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #10

Petition in Meta... Turborama Jan 2013 #12

To be fair, what does that say of the original revolutionists? Were they wrong to revolt? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #13

If you win, you are a revolutionary patriot jeff47 Jan 2013 #17

You can just drop that "willfully ignorant shit" right now, thank you. To continue... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #21

So you asked the question knowing the answer was "no"? jeff47 Jan 2013 #107

People are free to, and may do, disagree. In fact, the 1% are doing just fine! NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #113

Ok, let's compare that to 1760 jeff47 Jan 2013 #127

Maybe for some, but worldwide, there is more slavery glowing Jan 2013 #23

Still a tiny fraction compared to 1760 jeff47 Jan 2013 #108

Slavery is coming back into vogue....it's just color-blind now. loudsue Jan 2013 #99

We have the ability to vote and select our own government. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #18

Oh, they were certainly traitors Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #80

The winners write the histories. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #114

What I don't get is this. jimmil Jan 2013 #22

Thanks Jimmil - people like me make up the government ciao_bella Jan 2013 #37

WELCOME TO DU DainBramaged Jan 2013 #41

Thanks and welcome. I know that many good workers are unable to advocate publicly. freshwest Jan 2013 #56

I thought that the use billh58 Jan 2013 #51

Working for the state, a coworker once commented, "If the government knew ..." Kennah Jan 2013 #150

It's in Article III, section 3. If anyone is interested. MsPithy Jan 2013 #25

Their argument is that the government is not "legitimate" kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #29

Red staters lark Jan 2013 #36

Pretty much what the Founding fathers said ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #90

People who hate the United States and don't want to be a part of it need to go live in another kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #92

I agree with that TalkingDog Jan 2013 #32

Besides AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #34

Not to mention the fact that the U.S. Military is well funded Bluzmann57 Jan 2013 #38

You have a very static view of social movements. former9thward Jan 2013 #42

Social movements may be dynamic creatures, but... Blanks Jan 2013 #77

Your points are true but assume some normalcy exists. former9thward Jan 2013 #85

I'm aware. Blanks Jan 2013 #89

A Friendly Edit cer7711 Jan 2013 #43

"need guns to protect them from the Government" RedstDem Jan 2013 #45

Let me shed some light on this.... needthetruth Jan 2013 #49

How many guns do you need? Why do you need assault-type weapons or automatics and massacre magazines DainBramaged Jan 2013 #54

Massacre mag? SQUEE Jan 2013 #61

Go polish your guns DainBramaged Jan 2013 #68

I have nothing shiny.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #104

Honest discourse? billh58 Jan 2013 #71

Some call them killer clips... ileus Jan 2013 #142

It's better to have and not need then to need and not have... needthetruth Jan 2013 #63

If you are concerned about Government control DainBramaged Jan 2013 #66

"We don't walk around carrying assault rifles"...LIKE HELL YOU DON'T! VOX Jan 2013 #75

MR. NRA Parrot is gone DainBramaged Jan 2013 #83

Please excuse the histronics RedstDem Jan 2013 #144

The problem with gun rights are the gun fetishists. haele Jan 2013 #64

Welcome to DU! That's the "slippery slope" argument. immoderate Jan 2013 #67

And you just parroted billh58 Jan 2013 #69

Reply for needthetruth ciao_bella Jan 2013 #72

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #74

Lets put it this way, pubbie RobertEarl Jan 2013 #76

Let me shed some light billh58 Jan 2013 #81

My Father in law is Republican sarisataka Jan 2013 #82

OK. Fair enough. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #145

You mean this government? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #52

Those kids were committing treason! Dr. Strange Jan 2013 #53

they had guns? uponit7771 Jan 2013 #55

Nope, SQUEE Jan 2013 #57

Maybe. Dr. Strange Jan 2013 #65

Sorry, but Jefferson thought a revolution may be necessary every 2 decades Blue Palasky Jan 2013 #58

That's "Gov'ment". cartach Jan 2013 #59

Or the rural variant, "gum'mint." VOX Jan 2013 #70

Shit! I thought it was guh'mint! Kennah Jan 2013 #151

Oddly, the government is engaging in treason against the American people and Democracy itself. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #62

well said! n/t guardian Jan 2013 #73

All true, with a footnote: the American people, on the sugar tit of capitalism, have ENABLED every patrice Jan 2013 #87

Also, since we ALREADY live in a police state Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #78

Spoken like a true billh58 Jan 2013 #91

The difference between what you view Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #115

I have absolutely billh58 Jan 2013 #120

You brought it up Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #133

LOL! billh58 Jan 2013 #135

Ah, now that makes sense Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #137

Sorry about the confusion billh58 Jan 2013 #138

Those yahoos can go from SUPPORT OUR TROOPS to SHOOT OUR TROOPS in the blink of an eye Martin Eden Jan 2013 #84

"Our attachment to no nation upon earth should supplant our attachment to liberty." One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #86

All of which add up to "Better dead than __________" but if freedom means anything at all, wouldn't patrice Jan 2013 #93

One life to give is fine as long as you make it your own & don't coerce others into the very thing patrice Jan 2013 #94

You know, don't you, that Thomas Jefferson was a VERY conflicted guy. nt patrice Jan 2013 #95

If Freedom isn't free, you* are not the ONE to decide the terms of its consequences for anyone patrice Jan 2013 #97

I thought the OP was plain and simple, why muck it up? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #98

Perhaps it doesn't matter to you that it appears our military, or police, could get involved in patrice Jan 2013 #100

See my previous answer DainBramaged Jan 2013 #117

I thought OP is flamebait. Can't take the heat? Quit mucking around in the kitchen. patrice Jan 2013 #102

Wow DainBramaged Jan 2013 #116

What does that mean? Do you have privileges I don't know about? nt patrice Jan 2013 #122

Not "the thread" that I "want to be 'mucking around' in" - Is that somekind of threat? Will patrice Jan 2013 #124

Perhaps you should tell us all what your privileges are here. nt patrice Jan 2013 #125

Dude you won't believe this... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #111

Great point, they don't get it, don't bother trying to explain DainBramaged Jan 2013 #129

explain? But then that wouldn't be "plain and simple" would it? Have your read this yet? patrice Jan 2013 #139

A Good Starting Point 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #118

Yayayayayayayaya of course you folks are going to spew all kinds of examples that matters DainBramaged Jan 2013 #130

Wow 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #148

Battle of Athens - would you call this treason? Mr. Blue Sky Jan 2013 #121

Nice of you to stop by DainBramaged Jan 2013 #128

Thomas Jefferson patriots Jan 2013 #131

debunked - he never said that OKNancy Jan 2013 #134

But that's what the NRA billh58 Jan 2013 #136

Another one sprouts in my thread, but that's ok, weeding time.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #140

I'm glad I'm not one of "them" Timbuk3 Jan 2013 #146

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #147

Why do not these "patriots" show their true colors DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #149