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JDPriestly

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208. Smart people ask questions and think.

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 03:37 PM

Jan 2013

When official explanations don't make sense or are incomplete, they refuse to stop asking questions.

I have a lot of questions and no answers about the Kennedy assassinations. And I don't think that the FBI or the local police at the time had any interest in find out the truth. The Warren Commission was a political entity, not really suited to performing an investigation that would have stepped on the toes of powerful people in our government and business.

I have no theory about who did it, but I view the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers as coups.

Note that LBJ ran for only one term. He did a lot of good, but somehow he was not someone we trusted as a nation. And then we got Nixon who proved to be a liar, cheat and crook. And we have seen a lot of lying, cheating and crooked behavior at the top of our government and in our corporations especially in our banks and on Wall Street since that time.

I think of Oedipus Rex. We are doomed until we discover the truth about our past.

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'I'm convinced a second gunman was involved in killing my uncle': Robert Kennedy [View all] elehhhhna Jan 2013 OP

I agree with them totally. arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #1

I agree with them, too. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #26

Oh I know they'll drop one on me and once arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #133

Mmm . . . BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #186

I just finished stuffing my turkey ... having another family arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #189

any heaven05 Jan 2013 #168

I don't know what happened, but the Warren Report is not very believable. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #48

yes, that is when we realized the government would lie to us grasswire Jan 2013 #61

"Lost our innocence" I like that, it's so apt! arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #134

Personally liberalmike27 Jan 2013 #66

Really? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #79

Find a copy of "A Texan Looks at Lyndon: A Study in Illegitimate Power", by J. Evetts Haley..... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #142

There is no doubt that LBJ Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #160

Read the book and then tell me what you think of LBJ. He wasn't just involved in.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #174

I Believe That Oswald Was The Lone Assassin. Paladin Jan 2013 #164

According to the last Gallup Poll on this subject in 2003, you're among the 19%.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #172

Er, the HSCA's determination that there was a conspiracy is based entirely stopbush Jan 2013 #182

I'm Not Clinging To Anything. Paladin Jan 2013 #187

I could have written what you wrote zappaman Jan 2013 #191

Well Said. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #194

Um, the Great Society, Medicare & the Civil Rights Act of 1964... JazzQuipster Jan 2013 #185

There is an interesting book on the history of Halliburton that could explain a connection JDPriestly Jan 2013 #206

Why would anyone think Johnson, a Texan, Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #215

I don't know what the truth was, but I don't think the Warren Commission bothered to ferret it out. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #222

On that we absolutely agree. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #223

You don't think the Warren Commission got it right? zappaman Jan 2013 #120

You're asking the right questions, but don't expect any answers stopbush Jan 2013 #183

I was alive at the time. I know precisely where I was when the assassination happened. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #207

Conspiracies within conspiracies... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #217

Interesting. Never liked Nixon. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #221

Thoughtful and astute, IMO. Many will decry you arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #132

I agree and I believe that "our" CIA had everything to do with it. dotymed Jan 2013 #161

Have you ever read the Warren Report? Be honest. stopbush Jan 2013 #180

I won't be looking for your tin foil hat. Just because you're paranoid AnnieK401 Jan 2013 #163

agreed. spanone Jan 2013 #2

He was a kid when it happened; Rory wasn't even born. duffyduff Jan 2013 #3

I was watching it on TV as an adult. There were a lot of questions even then that did not get jwirr Jan 2013 #4

But isn't this about JFK, not RFK? pangaia Jan 2013 #12

I was referring to JFK. My children were already old enough to be watching with us. I was also jwirr Jan 2013 #13

Ah, my misunderstanding. pangaia Jan 2013 #39

Watched what on TV? The after the fact news coverage? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #42

Exactly ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #174

Jack Ruby shoots Lee Harvey Oswald dead on live television: allrevvedup Jan 2013 #181

That's always been a sticking point to me union_maid Jan 2013 #200

And don't forget that Ruby died in prison just 3 years later Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #218

History has often been proven to be wrong. RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #5

"the powers that be" RomneyLies Jan 2013 #7

I know an attorney at law, a man with a 190 IQ BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #28

A lot of smart people believe in stupid shit. n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #37

And a lot of dumb people think they know it all. nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #95

And tinfoil hats actually AMPLIFY the government mind rays. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #96

Metallic foil is not my color. nt laundry_queen Jan 2013 #97

. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #98

Yup, they do. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #139

Smart people ask questions and think. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #208

"the powers that be" cartach Jan 2013 #45

"Corporate Masters" RomneyLies Jan 2013 #47

Why is that? RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #50

It's woospeak. n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #52

what the heck is woospeak? n/t RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #54

"the powers that be... RomneyLies Jan 2013 #57

History is written by the winners. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #140

Sorry, but that does not define the term to me RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #147

I gave it RomneyLies Jan 2013 #148

You did not give a definition, you gave an example ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #176

Yeah, it reveals that I don't know RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #184

Not to worry hootinholler Jan 2013 #203

Wouldn't "corporate powers" in your sig line, dotymed Jan 2013 #165

You're wrong. The whole RFK family is convinced the second gunman was the armed guard. See below. leveymg Jan 2013 #11

After the murder of Kennedy I don't believe alot of what our government tells us. Especially southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #32

I'm right with you on that. RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #51

I know it changed my life. I was around 14 or 15 and I don't think I ever was able southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #72

Yeah, totally ... in fact a rouge I tried yesterday gave me a terrible rash ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #177

I wasn't a kid. I was already married. It really turned me into a doubter and a cynic about the JDPriestly Jan 2013 #209

I agree with you. There is so much shit going on in this country we don't even know. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #213

If we only knew.. dotymed Jan 2013 #167

I lived at Ft Campbell during the time of Desert Storm. So much was going on. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #196

When I was young, I broke up with a guy because he was going into the military. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #210

You did the right thing for you. I grew up in a military family. My mother married my southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #212

Robert Kennedy, Jr. was 6 at the time (born in 1954). JDPriestly Jan 2013 #53

Age 9, not 6. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #58

Aged 6 when Kennedy became president -- ran for president. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #211

Of course. I misunderstood what you were dating. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #214

Uh oh! ellie Jan 2013 #6

...starting with this thread peace frog Jan 2013 #14

I don't know anyone who doesn't think the Warren Report was a joke.. monmouth3 Jan 2013 #8

... or at least flawed enough to be highly suspect. peace frog Jan 2013 #15

You've read the 26 volume report? zappaman Jan 2013 #123

No, I have not. However after the recap of that report it was apparent to me it was a POS. The monmouth3 Jan 2013 #169

Only on DU do I meet people who take it seriously Tumbulu Jan 2013 #17

I think some people are just that against anything that hints at ... LisaLynne Jan 2013 #18

Yes, people are paid to come on an anonymous forum zappaman Jan 2013 #125

Do you know anyone who has actually read it? zappaman Jan 2013 #122

One thing that always makes me laugh about this Wolf Frankula Jan 2013 #9

Wasn't Bush the Smarter head of the CIA? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #29

Bush was CIA head in 1976 Wolf Frankula Jan 2013 #69

Who can forget Zapata oil ...... think Jan 2013 #85

Food for thought... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #137

LOL! You believe everything you're told. DevonRex Jan 2013 #87

Think a minute ArcticFox Jan 2013 #145

Appointed to head the CIA Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #220

IIRC, a GROUP came to Hoover and told Hoover to stop. Festivito Jan 2013 #33

I have no doubt that a few people in high positions had files on Hoover. No doubt. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #70

Oh yeah. DevonRex Jan 2013 #105

Exactly. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #130

The Bush Crime Family created the power by blackmail system melody Jan 2013 #152

My ex-boss was a Robert F. Kennedy Fellow, a Hickory Hill regular, and he said the whole family leveymg Jan 2013 #10

Sorry, but this thread's about liberalhistorian Jan 2013 #20

Bobby also believed that Jack's assassination was the result of a conspiracy. RFK, Jr.'s views are leveymg Jan 2013 #31

who was that guard? grasswire Jan 2013 #64

He was moonlighting from Lockheed Aircraft Corp. His name was Thane Eugene Cesar. FBI report> leveymg Jan 2013 #74

thanks grasswire Jan 2013 #101

UR welcome. Here's the LA Co. Coroner's diagram of the bullet entry points and paths (not graphic) leveymg Jan 2013 #107

To this day the memory of that night shocks me. Rose Siding Jan 2013 #143

What an incredibly stupid plot William Seger Jan 2013 #78

There's a documentary called "THE SECOND GUN" about this Ty Templeton Jan 2013 #154

They were protecting the GUN LOBBY!!1!!! brett_jv Jan 2013 #179

Unfortunately, Robert F Kennedy Jr. also believes that vaccines cause autism Pale Blue Dot Jan 2013 #16

You mischaracterize Tumbulu Jan 2013 #19

How? nt Pale Blue Dot Jan 2013 #21

You should read the actual articles and statements from him on the issue Tumbulu Jan 2013 #23

Then I invite all the readers of this thread to also read them. Pale Blue Dot Jan 2013 #27

Again, you mischaracterize. Read his actual words, not what some blogger Tumbulu Jan 2013 #34

Yes, please read RFK's 66-page paper and 179 fully documented footnotes. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #38

Well, considering just how false the first sentence is jeff47 Jan 2013 #63

We all have opinions but you need to cite sources allrevvedup Jan 2013 #108

If you pretend to know anything about this issue jeff47 Jan 2013 #117

Yeah, but....but skepticscott Jan 2013 #121

A paragraph from wikipedia doesn't cut it. n/t allrevvedup Jan 2013 #124

When your claim skepticscott Jan 2013 #128

It's full of references. More than the PDF you provided. jeff47 Jan 2013 #131

CDC, 2012: Yes, Thimerosal remains in childhood vaccines and flu vaccines. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #173

Except "multi-dose forumations of influenza vaccine" are generally not used. jeff47 Jan 2013 #197

Nope. "Multi-dose" means mutliple does in one vial allrevvedup Jan 2013 #201

There's two commonly-used definitions jeff47 Jan 2013 #202

Strike 3, yer out. CDC: vaccine "in multi-dose VIALS" contains thimerosal. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #216

Are the Relevant Scientists liberalmike27 Jan 2013 #71

No, relevant excludes frauds like Mann. jeff47 Jan 2013 #135

It's very much useful in this conversation cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #36

I wouldn't call Salon's editor-in-chief bogus necessarily, allrevvedup Jan 2013 #40

So many of us who lived through the JFK assassination have doubts. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #60

LOL. There's no "evidence-based thinking" at the Salon link you posted. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #35

"JFK and the Unspeakable" by James Douglass... drokhole Jan 2013 #22

Saddest book I've ever read. Boomerproud Jan 2013 #44

i am also convinced. barbtries Jan 2013 #24

That's what our own govt says, "The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #25

Conclusion was based entirely on the exboyfil Jan 2013 #73

If my brother had been assassinated so brazenly, in public, I believe I would think long and hard... truebrit71 Jan 2013 #205

I doubt they've read the Warren Commission's report. All 11 volumes. Hamlette Jan 2013 #30

I doubt you have either. It's a sloppy piece of fiction, as was Bugliosi's "work". nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #82

Allen Dulles should be a name that concerns anyone who takes the Warren report seriously think Jan 2013 #89

Caro states in "Passage of Power" that Dulles was recommended for the Commission by RFK, nyquil_man Jan 2013 #92

And his source is? This would be appreciated. /nt think Jan 2013 #94

Check Caro's book. He usually has extensive endnotes. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #99

Dulles resigned after the Bay of Pigs think Jan 2013 #104

And was presented with the National Security Medal nyquil_man Jan 2013 #106

Allen Dulles was a complete scum bag but yes he got a shiny medal think Jan 2013 #109

Maybe the President shouldn't be giving shiny medals to scumbags: nyquil_man Jan 2013 #112

Completely agree. /nt think Jan 2013 #113

"Technically", Dulles was forced out (resign or be fired), as was Richard Bissell.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #110

And Gen. Charles Cabell, Mc Mike Jan 2013 #157

RFK jr Marblehead Jan 2013 #41

Simple requests skepticscott Jan 2013 #43

Who do YOU THINK YOU ARE telling anyone to STFU and come back when they can? Your onecent Jan 2013 #46

In other words skepticscott Jan 2013 #49

THE EVIDENCE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE... russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #59

Give me the names skepticscott Jan 2013 #81

Son, let me help you out with this. alberg Jan 2013 #144

What will happen if they disobey you? demwing Jan 2013 #56

I am not an expert on this topic either, but Thom Hartmann co-wrote a book that explores JDPriestly Jan 2013 #62

"Some evidence" skepticscott Jan 2013 #84

Thom Hartmann seemed to distance himself from the book when I heard him mention it cpwm17 Jan 2013 #114

You're only 'skeptical' about other peoples' skepticism regarding the official story. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #77

Nice try at deflection skepticscott Jan 2013 #83

I don't need website proof of climate change, so you're offering me nothing, times 12. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #90

More deflection. Too funny skepticscott Jan 2013 #93

Wow zappaman Jan 2013 #127

I get it. 'Us' is 'everyone'. That's who you speak for. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #156

Find E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession, and then.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #86

So give me the names skepticscott Jan 2013 #88

"So give me the names" NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #91

I've done research on the JFK asassination.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #111

Funny, I don't see any of the names I asked for skepticscott Jan 2013 #116

Funny, I don't recall you mentioning E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession or the.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #126

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #129

The burden of proof is on you to present evidence on who murder JFK cpwm17 Jan 2013 #149

All "real evidence" like the late Arlen Specter's "Single Bullet Theory".... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #178

What, exactly, did they find? JazzQuipster Jan 2013 #188

So, tell me how the nearly pristine Magic Bullet was connected forensically to JFK's killing.... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #204

You didn't give any evidence on who murdered JFK cpwm17 Jan 2013 #199

those are not simple requests. tomp Jan 2013 #166

Where were you watoos Jan 2013 #55

yeah, I was in high school Celebration Jan 2013 #68

This is the same idiot who thinks vaccines cause autism. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #65

The last shot... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #67

Wrong William Seger Jan 2013 #76

when you watch this in action MFM008 Jan 2013 #100

No, it really doesn't William Seger Jan 2013 #118

ha..... TheGov97 Jan 2013 #75

Alex Jones mimi85 Jan 2013 #80

Maybe they should interview GHW Bush before malaise Jan 2013 #102

I've never bought the "lone, crazed gunman" idea for any Warpy Jan 2013 #103

Don't forget than another nut skepticscott Jan 2013 #119

It was a "she", not a "he" that tried to shoot Ford. Sara Jane Moore. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #136

Squeaky Fromme, also. nt. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #159

I'm not exactly sure how many gunmen there were, but the investigation was botched Mrs. Overall Jan 2013 #115

Whoa, this opens up a whole new can of worms davesliberal1977_gg Jan 2013 #138

Probably aliens..... kaboom15 Jan 2013 #141

George H. W. Bush? Kurovski Jan 2013 #146

and yet again PatrynXX Jan 2013 #150

There was nothing plausible about the official story from minute one. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #151

Um, yeah, it isn't rocket science tavalon Jan 2013 #153

It was the CIA ! B Calm Jan 2013 #155

Three words that destroy any credibility of the Official Story as endorsed by the Warren Commission: MessiahRp Jan 2013 #158

There is also other footage, shot from the other side of Elm St. Mc Mike Jan 2013 #162

come on heaven05 Jan 2013 #171

John Jr.'s plane crash was suspicious to me.. fadedrose Jan 2013 #170

Yes zappaman Jan 2013 #190

Oh come on. He was handsome and a Kennedy but not the sharpest tool in the shed. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #193

He published the "Conspiracy Issue" of George in October 1998. allrevvedup Jan 2013 #195

Before he was married, he was the best catch a girl could make... fadedrose Jan 2013 #198

Stephen King has about the most vivid imagination around, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #192

Stephen King's source-materials were dubious... MinM Jan 2013 #219