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In reply to the discussion: The President tries to educate Chuck Todd... [View all]Enrique
(27,461 posts)that's the gist of this thread.
But in case you wanted to know the reporter's question and our president's answer, here is the exchange:
Q: As you know, the Senate Democrats, Harry Reid sent you a letter begging you, essentially, to take -- consider some sort of executive action on this debt ceiling issue. I know youve said youre not negotiating on it. Your administration has ruled out the various ideas that have been out there, the 14th Amendment, but just this morning House -- one of the House Democratic leaders, Jim Clyburn, asked you to use the 14th Amendment, and even said sometimes thats what it takes. He brought up the Emancipation Proclamation, saying it took executive action when Congress wouldnt act, and he compared the debt ceiling to that.
So are you considering a Plan B? And if not, why not?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, Chuck, the issue here is whether or not America pays its bills. We are not a deadbeat nation. And so theres a very simple solution to this. Congress authorizes us to pay our bills.
Now if the House and the Senate want to give me the authority so that they dont have to take these tough votes, if they want to put the responsibility on me to raise the debt ceiling, Im happily (sic) to take it. Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader in the Senate, had a proposal like that last year, and Im happy to accept it.
But if they want to keep this responsibility, then they need to go ahead and get it done. And you know, there are no magic tricks here. There are no loopholes. There are no, you know, easy outs. This is a matter of Congress authorizes spending. They order me to spend. They tell me: You need to fund our Defense Department at such-and-such a level. You need to send Social Security checks. You need to make sure that you are paying to care for our veterans.
They lay all this out for me, and -- because they have the spending power. And so I am required by law to go ahead and pay these bills.
Separately, they also have to authorize a raising of the debt ceiling in order to make sure that those bills are paid. And so what Congress cant do is tell me to spend X and then say, but were not going to give you the authority to go ahead and pay the bills.
And -- and I just want to repeat, because I think sometimes the American people understandably arent following all -- all the debates here in Washington, raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. All it does is say that America will pay its bills. And we are not a deadbeat nation. And the consequences of us not paying our bills, as I outlined in my opening statement, would be disastrous.
So I understand the impulse to try to get around this in a simple way. But theres one way to get around this. Theres one way to deal with it, and that is for Congress to authorize me to pay for those items of spending that they have already authorized.
And you know, the notion that Republicans in the House or maybe some Republicans in the Senate would suggest that in order for us to get our way on our spending priorities that we would risk the full faith and credit of the United States -- that, I think, is not what the founders intended. Thats not how I think most Americans think our democracy should work. You know, theyve got a point of view. Democrats in Congress have a point of view. They need to sit down and -- and work out a compromise.
Q: (Off mic.)
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.
Q: (Off mic.)
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.
Q: So if youre not negotiating and they say you have to negotiate and youre not considering another plan B, do you think we should wait it out and -- (off mic)?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, look, Chuck, there -- there are -- theres a pretty straightforward way of doing this, and that is to set the debt ceiling aside, we pay our bills and then we have a vigorous debate about how were going to do further deficit reduction in a balanced way.
I keep in mind that, you know, what weve heard from some Republicans in both the House and the Senate is that they will only increase the debt ceiling by the amount of spending cuts that theyre able to push through. And in order to replace the automatic spending cut, the sequester, thats $1.2 trillion. Say it takes another trillion (dollars) or trillion two to get us through one more year. Theyd have to identify $2.5 trillion in cuts just to get the debt ceiling extended to next year -- 2.5 trillion (dollars).
They cant even -- Congress has not been able to identify $1.2 trillion in cuts that theyre happy with, because these same Republicans say they dont want to cut defense. They claim that they dont want to gut Medicare or harm the vulnerable, but the truth of the matter is, is that you cant meet their own criteria without drastically cutting Medicare or having an impact on Medicaid or affecting our defense spending. So the math just doesnt add up.
Now, what -- heres what would work. What would work would be for us to say, weve already done close to $2 trillion in deficit reduction, and if you add the interest that we wont be paying because of less spending and increased revenue, it adds up to about $2.5 trillion.
The consensus is we need about $4 trillion to stabilize our debt and our deficit, which means we need about $1.5 trillion more. The package that I offered to Speaker Boehner before we -- before the new year would achieve that. We were actually fairly close in terms of arriving at that number.
So -- so if the goal is to make sure that we are being responsible about our debt and our deficit, if thats the conversation were having, Im happy to have that conversation. And by closing some additional loopholes through tax reform -- which Speaker Boehner has acknowledged can raise money in a sensible way -- and by doing some additional cuts, including making sure that we are reducing our health care spending, which is the main driver of our deficits, we can arrive at a package to get this thing done. Im happy to have that conversation.
What I will not do is to have that negotiation with a gun at the head of the American people; the threat that unless we get our way, unless you gut Medicare or Medicaid or, you know, otherwise slash things that the American people dont believe should be slashed, that were going to threaten to wreck the entire economy. That is not how historically this has been done. Thats not how were going to do it this time.
Q: Theres no plan -- (off mic) -- youre not searching for any other ideas, or are you --
PRESIDENT OBAMA: What -- what -- what Im --
Q: -- let me ask -- (inaudible).
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Chuck, what Im saying to you is that there is no simpler solution; no ready, credible solution other than Congress either give me the authority to raise the debt ceiling, or exercise the responsibility that they have kept for themselves and raise the debt ceiling, because this is about paying your bills.
Everybody -- everybody here understands this. I mean, this is not a complicated concept. You dont go out to dinner and then, you know, eat all you want and then leave without paying the check. And if you do, youre breaking the law.
And Congress is -- should think about it the same way that the American people do. You dont -- now if -- if Congress wants to have a debate about maybe we shouldnt go out to dinner next time, maybe we should go to a more modest restaurant, thats fine. That -- thats a debate that we should have. But you dont -- you dont say, in order for me to control my appetites, Im going to not pay the people who are provided me services, people who already lent me the money. That -- thats not -- thats not showing any discipline. All thats doing is not meeting your obligations. You cant do that.
And -- and -- and -- and thats not a credible way to run this government. We -- weve got to stop lurching from crisis to crisis to crisis when theres this clear path ahead of us that simply requires some discipline, some responsibility and some compromise. Thats where we need to go. Thats how this needs to work.