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ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
15. 1980/8% to 1990/15.3%
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 08:12 PM
Jan 2013

Reagan did it gradually. In 1980 they were 8.1% to 15.3% by 1990. They were intended to last for 30 years for the baby boom generation.

http://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Self-Employment-Tax-Rate.aspx

How the Wealthy Took Tax Cuts and Why They Now Want to Clip Social Security.
Saturday, December 1st, 2012
Kevin Drum, a political columnist for Mother Jones, writes a brief explanation why Republicans are demanding Social Security be ‘on the table’ for spending cuts. Essentially, Drum explains, Social Security payroll taxes, which are paid primarily by labor and the middle class, went into surplus under Clinton and that allowed for lower income taxes on the wealthy. Going forward income taxes will need to be raised to continue making Social Security solvent because Social Security surpluses were drained by the Bush Tax cuts. So the wealthy now want to renege on replenishing the Social Security trust funds.

Charles Krauthammer is upset that Dick Durbin says Social Security is off the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations because it doesn’t add to the deficit:

This is absurd. In 2012, Social Security adds $165 billion to the deficit. Democrats pretend that Social Security is covered through 2033 by its trust fund. Except that the trust fund is a fiction, a mere “bookkeeping” device, as the Office of Management and Budget itself has written. The trust fund’s IOUs “do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits.” Future benefits “will have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures.”

What Krauthammer means is that as Social Security draws down its trust fund, it sells bonds back to the Treasury. The money it gets for those bonds comes from the general fund, which means that it does indeed have an effect on the deficit.

That much is true. But the idea that the trust fund is a “fiction” is absolutely wrong. And since this zombie notion is bound to come up repeatedly over the next few weeks, it’s worth explaining why it’s wrong. So here it is.

Starting in 1983, the payroll tax was deliberately set higher than it needed to be to cover payments to retirees. For the next 30 years, this extra money was sent to the Treasury, and this windfall allowed income tax rates to be lower than they otherwise would have been. During this period, people who paid payroll taxes suffered from this arrangement, while people who paid income taxes benefited.

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Very good job summarizing the effect January 1 has on so many paychecks. . . Journeyman Jan 2013 #1
Thanks. Glassunion Jan 2013 #2
Are these the same rates as during the Reagan years? It seemed more, plus IRS was higher, too. freshwest Jan 2013 #3
I recently found my 1977 tax booklet and return. I paid a 34% tax federal rate sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #4
Thanks, that sounds similiar. At any rate, I managed to live on it. freshwest Jan 2013 #6
The problem is that prices are so much higher now. yardwork Jan 2013 #22
We need to convince the 60 million and their families who voted for Romney. freshwest Jan 2013 #23
What I don't understand is why so many people go along with being brainwashed. yardwork Jan 2013 #24
A substantial number of baggers have jobs from privatization. freshwest Jan 2013 #25
Not compared to income. Here's the 1st. paragraph from the 1977 Census on sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #34
We do need a radical socialist movement. Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2013 #36
The personal exemption was $750 in 1977 dems_rightnow Jan 2013 #20
You're correct. The $35 times number of dependents was a temporary general tax sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #33
During Reagan the FICA withholdings were lower. Glassunion Jan 2013 #5
Thanks. freshwest Jan 2013 #7
They are higher than during the Reagan years. whopis01 Jan 2013 #29
See also: The cost of your next prescription cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #8
I'm sorry to hear that. Glassunion Jan 2013 #11
It sure seems like it was easier for them to let the holiday expire than it was to hold the banks jtuck004 Jan 2013 #9
I hear you. Glassunion Jan 2013 #10
Actually St. Raygun doubled it in 1983 ErikJ Jan 2013 #13
SS tax did not double under his presidency. Glassunion Jan 2013 #14
1980/8% to 1990/15.3% ErikJ Jan 2013 #15
A few things... Glassunion Jan 2013 #16
Your table is bad ErikJ Jan 2013 #17
I realize that now. My bad. It was the first result in google. Glassunion Jan 2013 #21
Social Security Benefits calculator. ErikJ Jan 2013 #12
Good information. johnp3907 Jan 2013 #18
When you pay less into SS you get less...... Historic NY Jan 2013 #26
Well stated... WCGreen Jan 2013 #19
If you make more than the cap, you would have had no Still Sensible Jan 2013 #27
If you make more than the cap would you be pissing and moaning Glassunion Jan 2013 #31
You haven't seen any number of DUers complain against removing/lifting the contribution cap? Romulox Jan 2013 #35
Only George Bush tax holidays last forever. dkf Jan 2013 #28
So says you. Glassunion Jan 2013 #32
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #30
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