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TorchTheWitch

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83. proof beyond a reasonable doubt is for a jury to decide

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 10:36 PM

Jan 2013

It's not anything close to the criteria that police use to arrest or prosecutors use to charge. Since rape cases are a matter of consent, absent witnesses, video footage or obvious injuries that couldn't be construed to have been consented to most rape cases boil down to a matter of he said/she said none of which would ever get to court if police and prosecutors relied on any proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order to either arrest or charge.

Seeing as there are no charges of any kind against anyone, I simply don't believe the allegations in the suit. This mother found out about this and kept the child in the school with her alleged rapists while she continued to be bullied, harassed and even physically assaulted all the while with teachers and administrators ignoring it? Baloney.

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Mentally challenged girl, 15, 'gang raped under her desk during class as teacher did NOTHING' [View all] dipsydoodle Jan 2013 OP

Will the horrors never stop? In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #1

All A Reflection Of The Depravity That Has Become America, We Should Start With the 1% And Work Down cantbeserious Jan 2013 #2

Not "become"--historically America has ALWAYS been a nation of depravity!n/t vaberella Jan 2013 #8

Only now does a mirror seem to be held up ... What this country has done to some is absolutely RKP5637 Jan 2013 #26

Exactly. People speak as though America has been a Leave It to Beaver sitcom. vaberella Jan 2013 #48

This is a vocational school for disturbed kids. Renew Deal Jan 2013 #3

Cops never cover up a rape? exboyfil Jan 2013 #5

This is a very well populated part of LI Renew Deal Jan 2013 #7

No charges filed may be because dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #21

No, they were juvenile delinquents, not necessarily challenged. It's the girl's inability to testify freshwest Jan 2013 #42

because more times than not when reported, no charges are filed. seabeyond Jan 2013 #24

I agree, there's something incredible here. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #34

possible answer to "Why was the teacher fired if no charges ...?" MH1 Jan 2013 #40

From their website exboyfil Jan 2013 #4

Thanks for this. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #6

If you'd bother to read the article dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #10

Not much, as I'm a feminist who can regularly be found explaining what "rape culture" means Chorophyll Jan 2013 #16

Apologies for the dig about context dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #17

Thanks, and I'm sorry if it didn't come out right. I can understand your response. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #18

The New York Post is just as much of an idiot rag as the Daily Mail TorchTheWitch Jan 2013 #19

The New York Daily News originally published the story. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #60

"its a re-report from a US paper"...... George II Jan 2013 #25

The story originated with the New York Daily News. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #58

You're correct - the cited OP article........... George II Jan 2013 #65

Thats undated dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #9

I think it is referring to the same incident exboyfil Jan 2013 #12

So it's a private school? The majority of comments blame liberals, unions and public schools. freshwest Jan 2013 #41

It's always public schools with bad reputations obama2terms Jan 2013 #43

Lobbyists for the privatization play up every public institution fault to get contracts. freshwest Jan 2013 #46

private, catholic, residential program HiPointDem Jan 2013 #54

Not suprised Separation Jan 2013 #11

I disagree with you on the "most liberal country" part for sure. AllyCat Jan 2013 #13

Some people around here have trouble understanding what a civil suit is duffyduff Jan 2013 #30

How well I know. I agree, let's not get started. freshwest Jan 2013 #57

This is so outrageous that I don't believe it. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #14

Sadly, reports like this about special needs students are not rare. proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #37

The teacher was fired. Or do you not believe that, either? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #81

I heaven05 Jan 2013 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #31

You're are saying a girl obama2terms Jan 2013 #45

If only the boys had guns, this never would have happened. valerief Jan 2013 #20

I don't see the connection. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #36

I know of an incident where an idiot savant was raped by the school janitor. The young lady Dustlawyer Jan 2013 #22

That is one of the most disturbing events I have ever read here. The poor girl, I hope she Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #56

I know one that is worse, but it would blight the minds here freshwest Jan 2013 #64

We got her a LOT of money and her attorney ad litem had a daughter with the same problems Dustlawyer Jan 2013 #79

Oh thank goodness..great to hear. Thanks n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #80

The proper term is "savant". Zoeisright Jan 2013 #59

a bit more to the story here, makes it even worse niyad Jan 2013 #23

Looks like that is a report on the report in the Daily Mail....published just today........ George II Jan 2013 #27

"Failure to report"--classic lawsuit boilerplate duffyduff Jan 2013 #29

your care and concern for the alleged victim is duly noted niyad Jan 2013 #32

Typical way to blow off victim. 'She's lying for money!' freshwest Jan 2013 #68

that is what is so disturbing about some of these responses--the same sort of thing we have niyad Jan 2013 #72

One of the comments on the UK Mail site showed the disrespect, but I can't get it to show. freshwest Jan 2013 #73

Civil suit, people duffyduff Jan 2013 #28

I take your opinion with a grain of salt. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #67

I take it with an entire salt flat obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #74

Agreed. I hope the victim's family does succeed with a settlement. Why is it hard to understand Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #77

Exactly obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #78

did you see that there is ANOTHER bus gang-rape in india? niyad Jan 2013 #33

I have no words! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #35

There aren't any words to describe the depths to which attorneys will go duffyduff Jan 2013 #39

May you need one some day. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #82

Yeah, I'll BET she was "gang raped." duffyduff Jan 2013 #38

there were no criminal charges Celebration Jan 2013 #44

proof beyond a reasonable doubt is for a jury to decide TorchTheWitch Jan 2013 #83

I'm curious. Separation Jan 2013 #50

private catholic residential program. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #55

Your post is just appalling obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #75

I wish it had been my classroom. tblue Jan 2013 #47

What a touching response. great white snark Jan 2013 #52

If that was a photograph of the classroom... George II Jan 2013 #49

What is a teacher allowed to do in this situation? FarCenter Jan 2013 #51

Teachers have a legal duty to act as manadatory reporters obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #76

A private catholic residential program. Not a public school. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #53

Huffington Post:Martin De Porres Rape: Mentally Challenged Girl Allegedly Forced To Perform Oral Sex Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #61

Thanks for posting dipsydoodle Jan 2013 #63

The story needs to be seen, for sure. It happened in a private school. Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #66

Makes me wonder why she was there. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #69

This Huffington Post "article" is yet another rehash of the NY Daily News article..... George II Jan 2013 #70

Who on earth would want this crime on his/her conscience? Judi Lynn Jan 2013 #62

WTF is the matter with the and the social worker! arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #71