Some clarification for those who post about their paycheck going down.

[freshwest]

25. A substantial number of baggers have jobs from privatization.

As that sector continues to build, there will be no calls for socialism or unions from those workers or their employers. The ones I've argued with see liberals and the public sector as their oppressors and denying them a chance to improve their lot in life. And they have a point, when you look from their angle.

Often they are less educated and skilled than those in union and public sector employment. If their boss can get the job carved up so it fits their skill level, while he takes the bulk of the profit, they are loyal to that employer above any other considerations.

They see themselves as victims in the competition with the public sector and organized labor. The innate socialism of the commons is an evil to them. You can't undo an entire generation with a lack of education on the labor movement and their philosophy of self-interest, their libertarian beliefs.

They consider public functions as costing them money by taxing them, giving that money to those who they see as elitist, with benefits, steady work and retirement as public workers and unions often have. It is a matter of envy and resentment.

They are not brainwashed, they are the survivors of Reaganomics. And they see people like you and me, Democrats, as frivolous, entitled snobs. That's not my view of the world, but that is where they are coming from as far as I can see.

So we must find common ground, and it's hard since they feel desperate and won't give an inch. IDK how to persuade them when they get a direct reward from what they are doing.