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In reply to the discussion: One Photograph, Two Bullets, And 26 Reasons We Need To Take Action For Newtown, Connecticut [View all]RetroGamer1971
(177 posts)4. The big one looks like the 50 cal bullets they use for experiments on MythBusters.
Bulletproof Water
Myth: Water will protect you from being shot by bullets
They know that water will eventually stop a bullet, so they want to test to see how deep you have to dive to avoid being shot.
Gun selection
The various guns they tested during the myth were:
9mm pistol
M1 Garand/.30-06
Replica Civil War black powder rifle
Shotgun
.50 cal rifle
Regarding the .50 cal ammunition:
Adam: "That's what this thing fires?"
Jamie: "It's smaller than my head, it's alright"
Pool tests
A vertical rig was a worst-case scenario. In order to make it easier to test and also to make it correspond better with a real-world scenario, they decided to make their new rig be at a 30 degree angle. At a 30 degree angle with an 8 ft penetrating bullet, you would only have to be 4ft underwater.
Someone strangely agreed to allowing Adam and Jamie to shoot off guns in their pool. Adam made a new 20 ft railway for the ballistics gel target and they mounted it at a 23 degree angle.
For the first test they used a replica Civil War black powder rifle shooting Jamie's homemade bullets at 1000 ft/s.
Replica Civil War rifle @ 15 ft: The bullet veered way off target.
Replica Civil War rifle@ 5 ft: they couldn't find the bullet and the ballistics gel was still intact -- nonfatal
Replica Civil War rifle @ 3 ft: The bullet went through the gel -- fatal. At this distance, though, the gel was only 2 ft underwater because of the angle.
They switched to a .223 rifle, which shoots at 2500 ft/s
.223 rifle @ 10 ft: the full metal jacket bullet shattered into tiny bits upon hitting the water -- nonfatal
223 rifle@ 3 ft: once again the bullet broke up. The tip of the bullet was resting on the ballistics gel -- nonfatal (myth confirmed)
The next gun up was the M1, which shoots at 2800 ft/s. In their Bulletproof Glass mythbusting, the M1 was capable of penetrating 2.5" of bulletproof glass.
M1@ 10 ft: tiny bullet fragments once again
M1@ 2 ft: the bullet only pierced the gel 4", which would be enough to just pierce the skin.
They finally broke out the big gun, the .50 cal with armor-piercing rounds, which are shot at 3000 ft/s.
Adam: "Hopefully we'll be gone before the pool fully drains"
.50 cal @ 10 ft: even though the water exploded, the ballistics gel was intact. Water made it all the way up to the ceiling. As it was with the previous guns, the bullet round came apart on impact. It lost all of it's energy within the first 3 ft. You would be safe 14" underwater at a 23 angle from a .50 cal.
confirmed: you can protect yourself from a bullet by diving underwater. If the shooter were directly overhead, you would probably be safe from most guns at 8 ft. At a 30 degree angle, you would only have to be 3 ft underwater to be safe.
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One Photograph, Two Bullets, And 26 Reasons We Need To Take Action For Newtown, Connecticut [View all]
Playinghardball
Jan 2013
OP
Yes really. There's no round I can think of that much smaller than a .223 long
Recursion
Jan 2013
#12
isn't the important thing rim fire or center fire? and .220 is smaller than .223...
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#10
Maybe it's the penny? I'm not sure. I'm using the gimp and checking that it wasn't resized
Recursion
Jan 2013
#34
If it is, then the one on the left is absurdly small; it's hard to tell the scale
Recursion
Jan 2013
#6
i have a .22LR- if i wanted to shoot a deer DEAD with it, i could. easily. i don't.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#80
not BS at all. why does it say dangerous up to 1.5 MILES on the ammo box?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#128
Yes, it is total BS, and it is clear you don't know what you are talking about.
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#144
not at all. obviously, the size of the animal, the distance, etc. all matter
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#101
The big one looks like the 50 cal bullets they use for experiments on MythBusters.
RetroGamer1971
Jan 2013
#4
Thanks, that pic makes the scalar difference more understandable. Are you also calling bullshit ...
Scuba
Jan 2013
#37
The "wildly inaccurate" was regarding the claim that the 223 wasn't a good hunting round.
Scuba
Jan 2013
#51
If by action you mean actually doing something beyond pounding a keyboard...
OneMoreDemocrat
Jan 2013
#18
why do you keep trying to pretend that .22s don't exist? .22s KILL things EASILY. also .17 cal=small
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#38
there is supposed to be an element of skill involved in hunting. 50-100 yards, head shot, dead.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#96
no, sport means 'only kill what you eat' -true for a lot of people- or at least give away to eat
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#124
You think people should be hunting deer with a .22lr from 50-100 yards and aiming for the head?
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#114
head sounds better than lungs to me, but i'm not a hooved herbivore. ask an expert, maybe
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#120
You're obviously not a hunter, and have no idea what you are talking about.
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#145
i guess i didn't post enough of this professional deer killer guy before
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#150
It is meant for hunting humans. Your using it for prairie dogs does not change
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#40
that is terrible news, something should be done about that. maybe a ban.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#107
no, you are trying to change the subject- the .223 is designed to be fired semi-automatically
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#115
you can have whatever you want, as long as you are responsible about it, i'd say
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#138
How about until mass shootings are a rarity instead of being common place?
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#125
First of all, it is impossible for you to know that doing nothing will produce
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#126
here are ALL of the f'in bullets, .22 LR is 4th, and .223 is 16th, i think
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#46
no, i'm a farmer. i could kill a deer out of season with a machine gun if it was eating my crops
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#56
the original one photograph, 2 bullets concept seems to have gone out the window here
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#47
more guns + bigger mags = more bullets = more innocent people murdered every day. you again?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#65
every bullet is the same? ha ha ha ha ha. you can find lot on google in 60 seconds
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
I am for outlawing the so called asult weopons but the. 223 is a very good round for
doc03
Jan 2013
#61
Nah, haven't you been reading anything? Its about hunting kids, I mean deer. Or maybe coyote's.
MichiganVote
Jan 2013
#137
This one is also legal, even though it serves no actual function it should be
SWTORFanatic
Jan 2013
#155