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In reply to the discussion: One Photograph, Two Bullets, And 26 Reasons We Need To Take Action For Newtown, Connecticut [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)74. the topic is whether .223 is a military round. the answer is yes.
Even .223/ 5.56x45 ammunition, the type most commonly used in an AR-15, is not legal in most states for deer hunting because it too is of relatively low power when compared to most calibers used for big game hunting. Common calibers used in hunting deer are 2 to 3 times more powerful than .223 ammo, based on kinetic energy.
A lot of deer hunters believe the .223 Rem. is not enough of a cartridge to be called deer ammo. There is some logic behind this. After all, deer are sometimes lost to hits from cartridges as large as the .30-06. Truth be told, those lost deer are more than likely due to bad shooting as opposed to bad or little bullets. Regardless of what cartridge you deer hunt with, your bullet needs to penetrate deep enough to pass through vital organs. It should also expand or deform in a way to maximize the destruction of those organs.
The .223 Rem. is legal for deer hunting in a lot of states, and has proven to be effective when proper bullets are used. The down side to the .223 Rem. is not velocity or bullet diameter; a .243 Win. is no faster, and its bullet is only .02 inches wider in diameter. (That's a difference of less than the thickness of your credit card.) Bullet weight is the .223's weakness. Because most bullets shed weight as they expand and penetrate, bullet expansion combined with weight loss limits penetration. For .22 caliber bullets to be effective on deer, they need to expand wide so they can maximize tissue destruction, but they also need to maintain their weight so they can drive deep.
http://www.huntingclub.com/magazine/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/13457/is-the-223-rem-deadly-for-deer#.UPWW5WcYOTw
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from an ar-15 site:
Not Colorado! 6mm / 243Win is minimum here.
NY- yes
Its leagal in Georgia.
It's legal in wisconsin. And I've heard people do it and I'm going to do it this year. I'll tell you how it works out if you're interested.
Oregon- yes
My son has killed four now here in PA with a bolt actioned .223. All were one shot kills with handloladed 55 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws at 3100 fps. All shots were complete penetrations on broadside animals and none of them went more than 30 yards.
In NC it is legal but so is a .22 short rimfire. I wouldn't hunt deer with a .223 as bigger is better for deer. CRC
Texas is legal too. Any centerfire cartridge is legal. If you're a good shot, there's probably no reason you couldn't take a deer in Central Texas. The deer are plentiful as rats, but they don't get very big. Now a South Texas deer - different story.
Not legal in Ohio, but no center fire rifle is legal to hunt deer with here - all shotguns n the Buckeye state.
Your friend is mostly right. .223s can take deer with proper placement but they're a rotten choice IMO. That said, you can add LA to the list.
Scratch WA off any list, 6mm minimum. Thank Dog for 6X45.
New York is any centerfire cartridge, pistol or rifle. MIKE.
It is legal here in WVa any centerfire rifle.
Any centerfire cartridge rifle or pistol in California.[shock] Different areas, different rules, for fire arms and ammo. In one area if you use a handgun, the barrel must be at least 6 inches long and use only hollow point ammo.[whacko] Safest bet is to talk with a knowedgeable game warden/park ranger (which can be hard to find, but there are good ones out there) in the area you intend to hunt. Can be very confusing, which is what you would expect in CA. [puke]
OK in ME, or at least it was last time I hunted (a few years ago). It may have been changed but I don't think so. FB
A lot of deer hunters believe the .223 Rem. is not enough of a cartridge to be called deer ammo. There is some logic behind this. After all, deer are sometimes lost to hits from cartridges as large as the .30-06. Truth be told, those lost deer are more than likely due to bad shooting as opposed to bad or little bullets. Regardless of what cartridge you deer hunt with, your bullet needs to penetrate deep enough to pass through vital organs. It should also expand or deform in a way to maximize the destruction of those organs.
The .223 Rem. is legal for deer hunting in a lot of states, and has proven to be effective when proper bullets are used. The down side to the .223 Rem. is not velocity or bullet diameter; a .243 Win. is no faster, and its bullet is only .02 inches wider in diameter. (That's a difference of less than the thickness of your credit card.) Bullet weight is the .223's weakness. Because most bullets shed weight as they expand and penetrate, bullet expansion combined with weight loss limits penetration. For .22 caliber bullets to be effective on deer, they need to expand wide so they can maximize tissue destruction, but they also need to maintain their weight so they can drive deep.
http://www.huntingclub.com/magazine/articles/articletype/articleview/articleid/13457/is-the-223-rem-deadly-for-deer#.UPWW5WcYOTw
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from an ar-15 site:
Not Colorado! 6mm / 243Win is minimum here.
NY- yes
Its leagal in Georgia.
It's legal in wisconsin. And I've heard people do it and I'm going to do it this year. I'll tell you how it works out if you're interested.
Oregon- yes
My son has killed four now here in PA with a bolt actioned .223. All were one shot kills with handloladed 55 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws at 3100 fps. All shots were complete penetrations on broadside animals and none of them went more than 30 yards.
In NC it is legal but so is a .22 short rimfire. I wouldn't hunt deer with a .223 as bigger is better for deer. CRC
Texas is legal too. Any centerfire cartridge is legal. If you're a good shot, there's probably no reason you couldn't take a deer in Central Texas. The deer are plentiful as rats, but they don't get very big. Now a South Texas deer - different story.
Not legal in Ohio, but no center fire rifle is legal to hunt deer with here - all shotguns n the Buckeye state.
Your friend is mostly right. .223s can take deer with proper placement but they're a rotten choice IMO. That said, you can add LA to the list.
Scratch WA off any list, 6mm minimum. Thank Dog for 6X45.
New York is any centerfire cartridge, pistol or rifle. MIKE.
It is legal here in WVa any centerfire rifle.
Any centerfire cartridge rifle or pistol in California.[shock] Different areas, different rules, for fire arms and ammo. In one area if you use a handgun, the barrel must be at least 6 inches long and use only hollow point ammo.[whacko] Safest bet is to talk with a knowedgeable game warden/park ranger (which can be hard to find, but there are good ones out there) in the area you intend to hunt. Can be very confusing, which is what you would expect in CA. [puke]
OK in ME, or at least it was last time I hunted (a few years ago). It may have been changed but I don't think so. FB
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One Photograph, Two Bullets, And 26 Reasons We Need To Take Action For Newtown, Connecticut [View all]
Playinghardball
Jan 2013
OP
Yes really. There's no round I can think of that much smaller than a .223 long
Recursion
Jan 2013
#12
isn't the important thing rim fire or center fire? and .220 is smaller than .223...
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#10
Maybe it's the penny? I'm not sure. I'm using the gimp and checking that it wasn't resized
Recursion
Jan 2013
#34
If it is, then the one on the left is absurdly small; it's hard to tell the scale
Recursion
Jan 2013
#6
i have a .22LR- if i wanted to shoot a deer DEAD with it, i could. easily. i don't.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#80
not BS at all. why does it say dangerous up to 1.5 MILES on the ammo box?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#128
Yes, it is total BS, and it is clear you don't know what you are talking about.
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#144
not at all. obviously, the size of the animal, the distance, etc. all matter
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#101
The big one looks like the 50 cal bullets they use for experiments on MythBusters.
RetroGamer1971
Jan 2013
#4
Thanks, that pic makes the scalar difference more understandable. Are you also calling bullshit ...
Scuba
Jan 2013
#37
The "wildly inaccurate" was regarding the claim that the 223 wasn't a good hunting round.
Scuba
Jan 2013
#51
If by action you mean actually doing something beyond pounding a keyboard...
OneMoreDemocrat
Jan 2013
#18
why do you keep trying to pretend that .22s don't exist? .22s KILL things EASILY. also .17 cal=small
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#38
there is supposed to be an element of skill involved in hunting. 50-100 yards, head shot, dead.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#96
no, sport means 'only kill what you eat' -true for a lot of people- or at least give away to eat
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#124
You think people should be hunting deer with a .22lr from 50-100 yards and aiming for the head?
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#114
head sounds better than lungs to me, but i'm not a hooved herbivore. ask an expert, maybe
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#120
You're obviously not a hunter, and have no idea what you are talking about.
DesMoinesDem
Jan 2013
#145
i guess i didn't post enough of this professional deer killer guy before
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#150
It is meant for hunting humans. Your using it for prairie dogs does not change
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#40
that is terrible news, something should be done about that. maybe a ban.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#107
no, you are trying to change the subject- the .223 is designed to be fired semi-automatically
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#115
you can have whatever you want, as long as you are responsible about it, i'd say
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#138
How about until mass shootings are a rarity instead of being common place?
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#125
First of all, it is impossible for you to know that doing nothing will produce
Motown_Johnny
Jan 2013
#126
here are ALL of the f'in bullets, .22 LR is 4th, and .223 is 16th, i think
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#46
no, i'm a farmer. i could kill a deer out of season with a machine gun if it was eating my crops
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#56
the original one photograph, 2 bullets concept seems to have gone out the window here
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#47
more guns + bigger mags = more bullets = more innocent people murdered every day. you again?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#65
every bullet is the same? ha ha ha ha ha. you can find lot on google in 60 seconds
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
I am for outlawing the so called asult weopons but the. 223 is a very good round for
doc03
Jan 2013
#61
Nah, haven't you been reading anything? Its about hunting kids, I mean deer. Or maybe coyote's.
MichiganVote
Jan 2013
#137
This one is also legal, even though it serves no actual function it should be
SWTORFanatic
Jan 2013
#155