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X_Digger

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27. Thing is, all rifles are 'military knockoff' if you go back.

Tue Jan 15, 2013, 06:17 PM

Jan 2013

That's a bit of a red herring in the debate- "military style" as a designation is damned near meaningless.

Other than specialized target guns like those used in the olympics, all guns owe their existence to a military somewhere. Some are / were used directly by the military in the same configuration that is used by hunters and recreational shooters.

Lever-action guns and revolvers? Cavalry arms.

Bolt-action guns? Still in use today by military snipers.

Pump-action shotguns? Trench sweepers in WWI.

No, each generation's old farts bemoan the fact that "today"s young gun owners are using those "newfangled" guns instead of "traditional" guns- when the fact is, 50 years ago, it was the previous generation bemoaning the same thing with guns that are now "traditional" to their generation. 50 years ago it was the M1 Garand and derivatives that were causing a kerfuffle. 50 years before that it was the Springfield 1903. I'm sure that 50 years from now it will be those pesky kids using their phase charge rifles instead of the 'traditional' ar-15.

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I'm being honest here. What's the thing with [View all] upaloopa Jan 2013 OP

No clue here. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1

I don't have an answer for you, upaloopa. But since this is a gun thread, ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2013 #2

I don't know maybe later today upaloopa Jan 2013 #5

Zombie Apocalypse reverend_tim Jan 2013 #3

It's merely a rifle hack89 Jan 2013 #4

Thanks for you input upaloopa Jan 2013 #6

thanks for the non snark oldhippydude Jan 2013 #7

Plus it is very modular. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #12

That's a big point; it's what you all paid me to train with Recursion Jan 2013 #23

Very good points. I agree. xoom Jan 2013 #51

My dad had a couple of hunting rifles and neither one of them were AR15s. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #58

So? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #62

So, smartass, I am responding to your statement that AR15s are the hunting rifle of choice and have kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #63

And there are many others that disagree hack89 Jan 2013 #65

The gun nutters are the arrogant ones in this picture. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #67

And of course "gun nutter" = someone who disagrees with me. hack89 Jan 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author ceejdre82 Jan 2013 #71

Was wondering how long it would take Sissyk Jan 2013 #99

It's a freaking tool, Daninmo Jan 2013 #100

Don't own one bpositive Jan 2013 #8

A very good question, upaloopa. 99Forever Jan 2013 #9

Round up the usual suspects bongbong Jan 2013 #14

Oh I can translate that... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #60

+1 JustAnotherGen Jan 2013 #94

I have no idea, either. I qualified with the M-16 as an expert marksman. MineralMan Jan 2013 #10

I have heard it has something to do with penis size. NCTraveler Jan 2013 #11

You're not helping here with that upaloopa Jan 2013 #20

That's exactly what it's about. The MEN in my family never needed sissy guns like the AR15 to kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #66

They all well-hung, huh? Luuuckyyyy.... jmg257 Jan 2013 #77

We have a real coyote problem here nick of time Jan 2013 #13

Not to knock you, I lived in the boonies with many coyotes. upaloopa Jan 2013 #15

I believe you. nick of time Jan 2013 #17

some guy want the most powerful muscle car Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #16

Thanks I'm hoping we don't go into that kind upaloopa Jan 2013 #18

Maybe I phrased that poorly Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #19

It's no faster-shooting than any other semi-automatic weapon Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Lightweight, ergonomic, easy to shoot, easy to repair, easy to modify Recursion Jan 2013 #21

Really, honestly, if you have to ask the question, ....... oldhippie Jan 2013 #24

I'm not new to guns. I'm not new to hobbies. upaloopa Jan 2013 #31

I certainly don't dispute your right to ask ...... oldhippie Jan 2013 #34

Yes I can upaloopa Jan 2013 #39

Please please please..post a pic if you do the 300 especially Drew Richards Jan 2013 #81

The difference is, no guy buying a Corvette, Ferrari or Cadillac..... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #90

I never think that ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #113

No, I'm sorry, if you are collecting guns as if they are baseball cards.... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #116

I told you that you wouldn't understand. oldhippie Jan 2013 #118

When something is illogical, it is by its very nature hard to understand. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #119

I will. Thanks! oldhippie Jan 2013 #121

I don't get it, I have been around guns all my life and doc03 Jan 2013 #25

I loved the M-14. nick of time Jan 2013 #29

I was drafted in 1968 when they were transitioning from the M-14 doc03 Jan 2013 #45

I was drafted in 67. nick of time Jan 2013 #47

I was discussing AR-15 jamming at work Mnpaul Jan 2013 #76

Exactly correct. nick of time Jan 2013 #79

There were several problems with the early M16a1 oneshooter Jan 2013 #84

they need them in case IMAGINARY HITLER shows up Skittles Jan 2013 #26

Thing is, all rifles are 'military knockoff' if you go back. X_Digger Jan 2013 #27

+1 LAGC Jan 2013 #59

Why? "small penis." nt TeamPooka Jan 2013 #28

Don't you love it? nick of time Jan 2013 #30

Yep. upaloopa Jan 2013 #32

I'm kinda where you are. nick of time Jan 2013 #35

And look which side is dishing out the insults. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #69

Yup. nick of time Jan 2013 #72

I don't think a lot of people would freak out seeing one of these tularetom Jan 2013 #33

So honestly, you think the Connecticut shooter thucythucy Jan 2013 #36

Yes. nick of time Jan 2013 #38

It could have been done with any number of guns Lurks Often Jan 2013 #54

Google Mini 14 Mnpaul Jan 2013 #75

This is frightening. thucythucy Jan 2013 #98

He could have done it with handguns - remember Va Tech? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #89

Yeah, I remember. thucythucy Jan 2013 #101

Just remember that gun violence has been steadily falling for 30 years hack89 Jan 2013 #102

I've thought about selling my AR-15 and buying on of those. nick of time Jan 2013 #37

Probably not Lurks Often Jan 2013 #49

Oh, ok. nick of time Jan 2013 #52

The mini 14's Daninmo Jan 2013 #103

just stop JanMichael Jan 2013 #117

My k-ray blaster is normally set to "stun." hunter Jan 2013 #40

People want what they want for any myriad of reasons. dkf Jan 2013 #41

No, but this thing had been used to kill children upaloopa Jan 2013 #43

All types of guns kill children. dkf Jan 2013 #44

Suppose the NRA and gun owners went on TV upaloopa Jan 2013 #46

I never understand why we try to make more laws to fix the problem when we don't enforce old laws. dkf Jan 2013 #55

Before this past weekend, I read that 24 minors had been shot in Chicago amandabeech Jan 2013 #80

When you are dealing with a deadly weapon, then yes, there should be some sort of justification. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #91

Several reasons. krispos42 Jan 2013 #42

First Person Shooter libodem Jan 2013 #48

That is the weapon I am trained on Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #50

Perhaps for those of us who are blissfully unaware, and kicking and screaming not to need to know, libdem4life Jan 2013 #53

I can see your thinking is rooted in a logical thought process rather than irrational emotion. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #57

Right. We certainly would not want to be emotional...gasp...about little events like gun mutilation libdem4life Jan 2013 #70

your imagining of the obscene, and dehumanizing of 6 year olds to nothing more SQUEE Jan 2013 #97

Sorry, not so. No porn of any kind kills kids...very bad analogy. Red Herring for today. libdem4life Jan 2013 #105

RE .PS Your waving thier bodies about as a bloody shirt for an agenda you already hold dear SQUEE Jan 2013 #106

What I hold dear are lives. What I do not hold dear is funding $175 billion for Rights libdem4life Jan 2013 #107

Prepare to be shocked SQUEE Jan 2013 #108

It's always a wonderful thing when the push and pull of differing opinions make a new reality libdem4life Jan 2013 #112

Like others have said Lurks Often Jan 2013 #56

Accuracy, reliability, ergonomics... Taitertots Jan 2013 #61

Why do some people drive sports cars? Or wear $1,000 watches? brooklynite Jan 2013 #64

Why do people want an iPhone when they're overpriced & don't work as well as other phones? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #73

I dunno. It's not even a good deer-hunting gun. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #74

deer is the only thing hunted? Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #82

Since there is all this talk about them, I want one now. rightsideout Jan 2013 #78

That's what gun porn will do to you ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #83

I own several, in fact I build them. oneshooter Jan 2013 #85

Active military here... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #86

So why can't you go to the military range and use a military weapon ? upaloopa Jan 2013 #87

Exactly. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #88

They did when I was in the army. upaloopa Jan 2013 #92

Because they don't let you do that Recursion Jan 2013 #93

Don't you have to qualify annually like PT? upaloopa Jan 2013 #95

In the Marines, at least Recursion Jan 2013 #96

I was in the National Guard Lurks Often Jan 2013 #114

In the 12 years I was active duty (1970-82) ...... oldhippie Jan 2013 #120

If you were a professional pianist.. Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #104

A couple of reasons, the army typically didn't buy a whole lot of ammo okaawhatever Jan 2013 #109

Viagra doesn't work for some gun nuts. baldguy Jan 2013 #110

"Consider your man card reissued." KamaAina Jan 2013 #111

Zombies. cleanhippie Jan 2013 #115

I've shot a few zombies with an AR-15. It doesn't work. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2013 #122

Not a gun owner so I can't speak to the exact subject of the OP bighart Jan 2013 #123