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In reply to the discussion: MENTALLY ILL MENTALLY ILL MENTALLY ILL [View all]Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)71. Those costs are largely hidden from the public, distributed around in a lot of different ways
Perceptions are everything in politics because politics is about how people think and people don't think on facts they think on their perception of facts.
Put the same amount of money as all those hidden costs in the budget with a label for mental health care and even if you saved much more net money people for the most part wouldn't see it that way, it would be seen as a huge expensive nothing coddling malingerers and crazy people.
People are amazingly predisposed to see what they want to see or what they expect to see.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307459667/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=cognitivereso-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0307459667
The Invisible Gorilla is an unusual name for an unusual book. The authors Christopher Chabris and Daniel Simons have assembled a evidence of six illusions that impact our lives in significant ways. Chapter One deals with the illusion of attention, that is, the illusion that we see or observe far more than we think. Several experiments have proven that even obvious things are easily missed by people. Up to fifty percent of testers failed to see a fake gorilla enter a basketball game where the testers were counting the number of ball passes rather than looking for gorillas. It is from this experiment that the book gets its name.
Most think that such a gorilla would be easily noticed; however, various experiments have shown this is not the case. This lack of ability to see objects that are not expected may explain why cars pull out in front of motorcycles, as it is theorized that people driving cars do not expect to see motorcycles and thus they do not. Cell phone users also miss obvious objects while they are driving. It seems cell phone users that are driving suffer from a reduction in awareness, but they are not aware of it. Thus the illusion that they are as fully aware while talking on the phone as they are when the phone is not in use. The Invisible Gorilla points out how this attention illusion can have real and sometimes harsh results in the real world.
Then the book goes on to describe five other illusions: the illusion of memory, the illusion of knowledge and confidence, the illusion that in a series of events, event one causes event two, and the illusion that certain mythical processes - such as hypnotism - can help one reach their full potential. Another illusion is we can do many things well all at once (multi-tasking); however, experiments have shown this is a false assumption.
The book's key message is that we think our mental abilities and capacities are greater than they really are. Perhaps the largest impact is in court, where witnesses think they can accurately remember an event that occurred some time ago.
Most think that such a gorilla would be easily noticed; however, various experiments have shown this is not the case. This lack of ability to see objects that are not expected may explain why cars pull out in front of motorcycles, as it is theorized that people driving cars do not expect to see motorcycles and thus they do not. Cell phone users also miss obvious objects while they are driving. It seems cell phone users that are driving suffer from a reduction in awareness, but they are not aware of it. Thus the illusion that they are as fully aware while talking on the phone as they are when the phone is not in use. The Invisible Gorilla points out how this attention illusion can have real and sometimes harsh results in the real world.
Then the book goes on to describe five other illusions: the illusion of memory, the illusion of knowledge and confidence, the illusion that in a series of events, event one causes event two, and the illusion that certain mythical processes - such as hypnotism - can help one reach their full potential. Another illusion is we can do many things well all at once (multi-tasking); however, experiments have shown this is a false assumption.
The book's key message is that we think our mental abilities and capacities are greater than they really are. Perhaps the largest impact is in court, where witnesses think they can accurately remember an event that occurred some time ago.
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The desire to purchase a hand gun or assault weapon is a clear indication of mental illness
bowens43
Jan 2013
#8
Nothing that tax cuts for the rich, entitlement cuts for the poor and another war or two won't fix
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#13
Gun control should include mandatory mental health exams for ALL gun owners. nt
Comrade_McKenzie
Jan 2013
#18
A little fear, a dash of ignorance, some cherry-picking--shake: mentally ill are the problem.
HereSince1628
Jan 2013
#20
If law-abiding, peaceful gun owners were treated the same as the mentally ill are currently treated
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#21
Right, statistically you're much safer without a gun yet and people buy them for "protection"
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#43
It comes from his statement that tens of millions of otherwise peaceful people
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#48
So those who aren't mentally ill are treated as mentally ill while the mentally ill
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#54
If you're a danger to yourself and others? Yes. Absolutely. If you're enough of a danger
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#64
I didn't get to hear the President but the argument you are making makes no sense.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#78
Specifically, how would you make it more difficult for the mentally ill to purchase guns?
HereSince1628
Jan 2013
#26
How about we make it easier for the authorities to treat the mentally ill.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#29
Those costs are largely hidden from the public, distributed around in a lot of different ways
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#71
It's really odd that the unconditioned risk gets invokedfor gun owners but not the mentally ill.
HereSince1628
Jan 2013
#41
Back to the problem of how to identify the undiagnosed potential mass murderers
HereSince1628
Jan 2013
#56
The only commonality to ALL mass shootings was/is easy access to guns. Period.
riderinthestorm
Jan 2013
#58
The fact that they don't know the difference between Mental Health & Mental Illness prooves it.
patrice
Jan 2013
#36
Good point! Are FAMILIES going to be prevented from getting help, so that gun owners can play
patrice
Jan 2013
#35
That's REALLY a dangerous meme. Who says who is mentally ill, how, and why? Talk about FASCISM!!!
patrice
Jan 2013
#33
NY is proposing a state database for people with mental health issues, gun owners or not.
hack89
Jan 2013
#60
Blame Big Pharma, not the mentally ill, the FDA is not doing their job
Follow The Money
Jan 2013
#61
The Republicans are demanding Scarlet-Lettering of anyone with even a minor mental illness.
backscatter712
Jan 2013
#79
I have come to the conclusion after reading thousands of comments on this debate that....
Kalidurga
Jan 2013
#82
Joined by President Obama...a whole lot of his planned executive orders are aimed at mental illness.
dkf
Jan 2013
#83