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Warren DeMontague

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237. I don't see a conspiracy, I've just been on DU for 9 years and I know the drill.

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:20 PM

Jan 2013

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Here's an example, though, that pertains to you and your responses; upthread you complained, to no one really, that a "TMI" answer to a woman complaining about an excessively-delayed orgasmic man, meant that "men cant handle women talking about sex" and "we dont understand that women have desires and orgasms, too"

Then i weighed in that, personally, the conversation doesn't bug me, and my advice - to the woman's partner, mind you - was to give his system a few days down time..

Well, anyway, somehow THAT response was unacceptable too, and somehow simultaneously indicated that I dont understand women blah blah blah and how dare I offer advice.

Classic cant win: the guy who says TMI, he's out of line for not engaging and being uptight about the discussion. Guy engages the discussion, THAT is out of line too.

Which brings me to the bottom line- I haven't been the one throwing out personal attacks on peoples' sexuality (despite SB's constant refrain about "they use womens sexuality to attack them lol lol&quot these personal attacks have been coming at me, not from me.

Im not really sure what any of it is based on, but it's not based on anything I have actually said, here.

Ps, i dont know you, so you calling me "dear" is probably an inappropriate level of familiarity. Just FYI.

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Sounds like you need to call the University of Montreal Orrex Jan 2013 #6

LOL ailsagirl Jan 2013 #140

and right there answering the question, you would have to say yes. any woman not seen porn? seabeyond Jan 2013 #9

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Good for you! june starling Jan 2013 #59

That's not what it sounds like to me. Atman Jan 2013 #63

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Thank you. Denninmi Jan 2013 #85

So a nude female body breeds misogyny? Courtesy Flush Jan 2013 #111

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You thought Playboy was VULGAR? Atman Jan 2013 #62

There is a difference between art and exploitation. Denninmi Jan 2013 #83

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I agree that he's a "classy guy." Atman Jan 2013 #145

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Great response. Thank you. Atman Jan 2013 #149

I think I need to apologize, too. Denninmi Jan 2013 #160

Peace! Atman Jan 2013 #164

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So, you never had a VCR then. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #91

What is that even supposed to mean? Denninmi Jan 2013 #93

Well, hurray for you, then. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #116

Thank you for being you, not one of the herd, Denninmi and... Little Star Jan 2013 #123

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So that explains the hairy palms madokie Jan 2013 #8

And glasses!!! LOL RKP5637 Jan 2013 #52

LOL madokie Jan 2013 #67

What do you think of the argument that porn can cause sexual dysfunction? bluestateguy Jan 2013 #11

Nope, doesn't happen Confusious Jan 2013 #33

Seemingly it *can* happen, but only with a real dedication to porn use over ordinary sex. sibelian Jan 2013 #72

Delayed ejaculation is a dysfunction? nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #92

Yes. Some of us women like to see our partners get off too. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #119

Wow, TMI. Thanks, though. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #150

You asked the question, didn't you? Tsiyu Jan 2013 #182

Doesn't bother me. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #208

The poster of whom you speak Tsiyu Jan 2013 #213

You realize you're arguing with an opponent that exists only in your imagination? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #221

As I said before, every thing said is not about you Tsiyu Jan 2013 #222

Oh, im happy to elaborate on that usual suspects thing. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #224

Has the exact opposite effect on me AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #209

You will be informed in short order that your personal experience is not valid Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #267

Sometimes I think that the number of university "studies" that are truly valid is very small. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #12

Too often, I think it's people with and agenda/preconceived ideas who set up studies KittyWampus Jan 2013 #18

Maybe some university should conduct a study on the validity of university studies. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #26

Not just university studies... sendero Jan 2013 #74

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Start with the fact that ... Speck Tater Jan 2013 #13

I've never been to a bachelor party hfojvt Jan 2013 #61

Who is "they"? Speck Tater Jan 2013 #64

fortunately we have the 2nd Amendment hfojvt Jan 2013 #69

10 years old. nt redqueen Jan 2013 #14

I just don't like Bad Acting. trumad Jan 2013 #15

You're paying attention to the acting? jeff47 Jan 2013 #55

hmm deafskeptic Jan 2013 #73

I'm a Male Who Kinda Likes The Stories NeedleCast Jan 2013 #174

Men in their 20's who grew up with the Internet? Probably not Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #16

"If porn had impact many claim, you'd just have to show hetero films to a homosexual to change his" KittyWampus Jan 2013 #17

Except, that exact result has been found time & again. The idea that porn "reprograms" brains is BS. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #176

misleading and probably wrong mzteris Jan 2013 #19

It's not "don't watch porn". It's "not exposed to porn". jeff47 Jan 2013 #50

Wonder why this makes some people so mad. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #169

Exactly Tsiyu Jan 2013 #184

I haven't seen anyone giving men a hard time for *not* watching porn, personally. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #186

They're understandably defensive ... so they project. redqueen Jan 2013 #193

I don't know about the majority of porn Tsiyu Jan 2013 #195

WTF? 99Forever Jan 2013 #21

Oh, and his study (of a whopping TWENTY men) says that all men in couples watch porn solo. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #23

Why would a partner care? Codeine Jan 2013 #27

But you obviously know about it. Fawke Em Jan 2013 #68

But even if I didn't and then found out, Codeine Jan 2013 #88

I think open and honest communication is important in a relationship. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #178

Oh, boy Tsiyu Jan 2013 #214

exactly. it is fuckin stupid. seabeyond Jan 2013 #215

I'm wondering WHAT world do these guys LIVE in? Tsiyu Jan 2013 #216

or, maybe they ought to jump into the real world a little more rather than seabeyond Jan 2013 #217

It's an unwinnable debate if your opponent Tsiyu Jan 2013 #218

yes. the bottomline though, is a constant attack on womens sexuality to insult us, one way or seabeyond Jan 2013 #219

Again, where are you getting this? Its not from something anyone has actually said. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #226

Pot Tsiyu Jan 2013 #236

I don't see a conspiracy, I've just been on DU for 9 years and I know the drill. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #237

+1 Phlem Jan 2013 #249

You never met Gramps. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #225

Many couples watch it together, and many partners know and dont care at all. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #171

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They should look in an Amish community (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #29

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Hilarious! johnlucas Jan 2013 #188

"Consumed"? jberryhill Jan 2013 #30

The damn DVDs got pretty hard to digest!!! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #105

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If he isn't jerking his gherkin, and not doing anything else FrodosPet Jan 2013 #41

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I read the OP, and before I even finished, the question I had was, RC Jan 2013 #36

Ah, the Rigid Calender rickford66 Jan 2013 #39

No idea. RC Jan 2013 #43

Did a quick Google rickford66 Jan 2013 #47

Yep, I remember those too! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #101

The masturbation police Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #177

I'm 32. In middle school, I was on BBSes and online services like SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #37

I've watched porn. And what's the problem with that? Fearless Jan 2013 #38

K&R! Porn, BFD to me, unless someone is being exploited. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #100

Exactly. Fearless Jan 2013 #122

BREAKING NEWS! A new study reveals that 60% of men admit to masturbation NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #40

really...? FirstLight Jan 2013 #44

research shows women are as much if not more so cause their sexuality is more fluid. seabeyond Jan 2013 #48

Uh oh marions ghost Jan 2013 #128

so true. seabeyond Jan 2013 #129

Yeah marions ghost Jan 2013 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Fumesucker Jan 2013 #133

marions ghost, what is really sad is i do not know seabeyond Jan 2013 #134

Agree -- marions ghost Jan 2013 #135

They didn't try hard enough imo. Rex Jan 2013 #49

just being on du we have seen porn. it may have been deleted or hidden seabeyond Jan 2013 #57

I agree, it was a set up question Rex Jan 2013 #71

i watch porn samsingh Jan 2013 #51

Ditto! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #103

it is a very healthy thing to do samsingh Jan 2013 #118

I certainly think so. I've never understood all of the fuss about sexual things in America. It's RKP5637 Jan 2013 #120

the prudish attitude causes more problems samsingh Jan 2013 #137

What about men who have been blind since birth? nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #53

If available, they watch it from 3rd grade...nt fadedrose Jan 2013 #54

View porn currently or ever saw it? june starling Jan 2013 #56

There's a DU porn group? Did you say? RKP5637 Jan 2013 #58

I dare you to suggest it. I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #75

Starting a group tomorrow. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #78

Me!!! Me!!! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #104

LOL I've always wondered what DU people look like! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #97

Y'all couldnt handle it. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #166

... RKP5637 Jan 2013 #181

Why are they being called scientists? Coyotl Jan 2013 #70

+1 HiPointDem Jan 2013 #77

bs study. interviewed 20 men? what? HiPointDem Jan 2013 #76

Yes, 20 men...that's called a Bachelor Party. Atman Jan 2013 #82

Told my wife that I have never partaken of hard core pornography, but acknowledged indepat Jan 2013 #79

On behalf of all men, the rest of you are welcome for the internets. bluedigger Jan 2013 #80

Rick Santorum never did. alfredo Jan 2013 #81

Rick Santorum IS pornography SmileyRose Jan 2013 #263

Yes! alfredo Jan 2013 #264

Uh....no. "Male Canadian University Students" = "n," not "All Men." WinkyDink Jan 2013 #86

If you have never watched porn... SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #87

I think that is bullshit. nt Raine Jan 2013 #89

20 college students is the sample? Deep13 Jan 2013 #90

and in other news, The Sky Is Blue and Fish Swim.. BadGimp Jan 2013 #94

We used to watch porn in college... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #95

The wife and I both enjoy porn big deal! stultusporcos Jan 2013 #96

Yep, well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #106

What about Greased-Hamster porn? Ken Burch Jan 2013 #98

Thats so 80s Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #228

The tough part was training the hamster to drive the Vespa, from what I've heard. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #270

*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #271

I thought at first this was a gag, since the prof's name is French for "the kids" but dimbear Jan 2013 #102

I read Playboy but only for the articles. edbermac Jan 2013 #107

duh.... crazyjoe Jan 2013 #108

~Seven Billion... deathrind Jan 2013 #110

"Watching porn" implies video Courtesy Flush Jan 2013 #112

"All" is not a very scientific word. Socal31 Jan 2013 #113

How many women watched porn? B Calm Jan 2013 #114

Every woman I've ever dated has loved porn. Codeine Jan 2013 #148

BLASPHEMY!!!! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #175

They are counting whoever saw any of it at all, ever treestar Jan 2013 #121

This thread is porn Orrex Jan 2013 #127

Was this study done by the Water Is Indeed Wet Society? Arkana Jan 2013 #131

So what? HappyMe Jan 2013 #132

So I must be an exception. Kablooie Jan 2013 #136

Does that include all those torture Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #144

I think Downton Abbey produces an unauthorized addictive endocrine brain rush in my wife. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #173

I work at a residence with men and women between ages 20-26 WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2013 #146

I have watched 0 porn Incitatus Jan 2013 #152

That is a PERNICIOUS LIE! I found one. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #154

OK. Small asterisk on this one. He HEARS phone sex. johnlucas Jan 2013 #158

Duh! Next study: All humans breathe air. johnlucas Jan 2013 #155

Because I'm a man objectifying people is in my genes! MAH GENES! nt cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #156

No, sex is bad, and getting turned on by looking at naked humans is the HEIGHT OF OPPRESSION! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #172

Saying that really violent, degrading porn Tsiyu Jan 2013 #185

Consenting adults, that's the reasonable yardstick. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #187

I don't see any desperate attempts to shame anybody Tsiyu Jan 2013 #191

It's typical defensiveness. redqueen Jan 2013 #194

Yeppers Tsiyu Jan 2013 #198

Who said "all porn is wholesome"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #203

Why so defensive? Tsiyu Jan 2013 #211

And again, straw argument. Where was it said that the shit from steubenville was "acceptable porn"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #223

You can't ignore some things Tsiyu Jan 2013 #233

Thats pretty long for a total non-answer. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #235

The poster upthread is asserting that being turned on by looking at naked people = "objectification" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #202

My elderly neighbor doesn't warrior1 Jan 2013 #159

How do you know? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #189

He's 93 warrior1 Jan 2013 #192

I could tell you some stories about some 93 yr. old relatives of mine. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #201

SMUT DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #161

"Porn" is for twisted lowlife deviants and teens learning to touch themselves for the first time... Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #183

THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE WE'RE ON Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #196

Close.. but the actual slope is redqueen Jan 2013 #199

Ah, it finally comes out Capt. Obvious Jan 2013 #200

*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #206

I'm sorry, what part of this thread was about condom regulations in porn? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #204

Pssst...got a little secret for ya. Women look at porn too. Taverner Jan 2013 #197

NO THEY DONT Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #205

PORN THREEEEEAAAADDD!!!! Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #207

... LadyHawkAZ Jan 2013 #210

Man, I gotta get me some study money! Iggo Jan 2013 #212

"All men watched porn at some point" would be a better title. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #230

Some people do both. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #232

I know. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #234

I enjoy looking at pictures of beautiful, naked women. I do! There, I said it. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #239

Oh Noes! Phlem Jan 2013 #261

I hear tell there is some serious porn related erectile dysfunction waiting like a, um, limp tiger Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #262

Cosmo worked for me when I was young n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #238

Sears bra ads in the sunday paper. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #240

*** Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #241

Which is why anything with a phallic symbol is marketable, I'm betting... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #243

There are not a lot of good options, for dudes going bald. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #244

... MrMickeysMom Jan 2013 #246

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They've cured Phlem Jan 2013 #248

Messed up study. Phlem Jan 2013 #251

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Your probably right Phlem Jan 2013 #258

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That's what I was wondering. Phlem Jan 2013 #260

I find that stuff fascinating, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #265

Awesome Phlem Jan 2013 #266