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Glassunion

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29. Is it really crap?

Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:24 PM

Jan 2013

Or is it an artform that makes you uncomfortable? Art is subjective. What you may see as crap others will see as fun or exciting.

I was at a museum years ago, and was at first shocked and then made very uncomfortable by an exhibit. The exhibit was just a bunch of actual naked people standing around the museum in doorways or near exhibits. This really bothered me, and at the time made me uncomfortable. I was always aware that there was a naked person in the room with me while I was trying to enjoy some of the other exhibits. My initial thought was "what kind of pervert would like this kind of thing?"

After I got home I had a change of heart. Art is always subjective to the viewer, it is the gift the artists give to those who take it in. A song can have limitless meanings to different people and may be way off the mark of emotions that the artist used to create the song.

The artist at the museum created an excellent exhibit. She made me uncomfortable. She made me emote something. This is what art is. If you, through a creation, can draw an emotion, be it pleasant or unpleasant, then you are a good artist.

At the end of the day a proponent of peace can enjoy many seemingly violent things and not be a hypocrite. Video games, movies, and art are not reality. It is unreasonable to connect an unreal, make believe art with reality.

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