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In reply to the discussion: When Traffic Stops Go Bad -- How Cops Demean Black and Brown Men [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)101. Same here. Also as a person growing up in a less enlightened era (huh?), here's what a co-worker
I was working with told me.
We worked together several years at my blue collar, union job outside. We both got job offers from government recruiters and he was wondering why I didn't want to try as air traffic controller, or city PD as it might be less physical work.
I said I didn't want to be an air traffic controller because of the hours and didn't want to be a cop, they had a bad reputation at the time. He had a chance to check it out and was taken out to one of the city's black neighborhoods to look for expired tags. They had a quota to get, I think that's illlegal now, but it may not be the case. The cop driving said that was their best hunting ground.
They were poor areas, more likely to have late tags. Sometimes one is short on finances, it almost happened to me once when I was struggling to pay for the basics and worried for a few months until I could afford to get it renewed.
My co-worker felt targetting minorities or the poor was despicable and decided that job wasn't for him. That was also an era when traffic stops resulted in a lot of harrassment and false arrests of innocent black men AND women. It was an outrage to both of us as whites, but it kept going on until we voted a civilian review board.
That's definitely institutional racism or else harrassing the poor. It's a technical stop that doesn't mean the driver is doing anything wrong but not meeting that requirement. Sure, the reason I was sweating that time was I didn't have the money to buy a new muffler and needed the car to go to work, although it wasn't smoking, it had a hole.
Tags also mean brakes are inspected and lights working. It's a good law for public safety reasons. I couldn't get the money for the muffler without driving the beast to work to get the money first, haha. And there was no one else to take care of that for me since I wasn't like Mittens who said to just borrow money from dad. As soon as I got paid, I got the muffler and tag.
But these things build up for the chronically lower paid or underemployed. Those who haven't thought this through or haven't walked in the shoes of the working poor, are calling these folks lazy or lawbreakers when their main crime is being poor.
The number of opportunities one misses in that economic state are not considered by those who haven't lived through it. Thanks for your post, too.
We worked together several years at my blue collar, union job outside. We both got job offers from government recruiters and he was wondering why I didn't want to try as air traffic controller, or city PD as it might be less physical work.
I said I didn't want to be an air traffic controller because of the hours and didn't want to be a cop, they had a bad reputation at the time. He had a chance to check it out and was taken out to one of the city's black neighborhoods to look for expired tags. They had a quota to get, I think that's illlegal now, but it may not be the case. The cop driving said that was their best hunting ground.
They were poor areas, more likely to have late tags. Sometimes one is short on finances, it almost happened to me once when I was struggling to pay for the basics and worried for a few months until I could afford to get it renewed.
My co-worker felt targetting minorities or the poor was despicable and decided that job wasn't for him. That was also an era when traffic stops resulted in a lot of harrassment and false arrests of innocent black men AND women. It was an outrage to both of us as whites, but it kept going on until we voted a civilian review board.
That's definitely institutional racism or else harrassing the poor. It's a technical stop that doesn't mean the driver is doing anything wrong but not meeting that requirement. Sure, the reason I was sweating that time was I didn't have the money to buy a new muffler and needed the car to go to work, although it wasn't smoking, it had a hole.
Tags also mean brakes are inspected and lights working. It's a good law for public safety reasons. I couldn't get the money for the muffler without driving the beast to work to get the money first, haha. And there was no one else to take care of that for me since I wasn't like Mittens who said to just borrow money from dad. As soon as I got paid, I got the muffler and tag.
But these things build up for the chronically lower paid or underemployed. Those who haven't thought this through or haven't walked in the shoes of the working poor, are calling these folks lazy or lawbreakers when their main crime is being poor.
The number of opportunities one misses in that economic state are not considered by those who haven't lived through it. Thanks for your post, too.
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Oh, yeah--what they needed at that traffic stop was a gun. That TOTALLY would
msanthrope
Jan 2013
#12
that's right, good job trying to turn a thread about racial profiling into something different
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#67
Never mind that it's the proliferation of guns that give pigs an excuse to act like this at any stop.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2013
#73
That's reserved for women, I think. Which brings to mind..why no outrage of how women are treated?nt
Honeycombe8
Jan 2013
#89
Same here. Also as a person growing up in a less enlightened era (huh?), here's what a co-worker
freshwest
Jan 2013
#101
No, that still leaves the problem of unaccountable cops who do indefensible things. n/t
D23MIURG23
Jan 2013
#30
...and if you do not comply with the state's requirements, you deserve to be harassed?
yardwork
Jan 2013
#68
From what this guy describes, he got a completely legal and professional traffic stop.
msanthrope
Jan 2013
#11
Me too. White female. Anyone pretending everyone gets treated the same is clueless.
Pirate Smile
Jan 2013
#26
as a white male my last pull-over - i was ordered out of my car, hands on the hood and searched
leftyohiolib
Jan 2013
#37
I'm a white female. I wanted to get out once, and they told me to stay in the car....
Honeycombe8
Jan 2013
#90
Well, you and I may disagree as to what is 'professional' in this circumstance....
msanthrope
Jan 2013
#19
Actually, the article suffers because the author has made it all about his event, instead of
msanthrope
Jan 2013
#41
No--his problem is that he doesn't expand his story to others to show a pattern of behavior that's
msanthrope
Jan 2013
#53
i was pulled over for what he said was speeding but i just left my house w/in 30 seconds and was
leftyohiolib
Jan 2013
#39
right, it's equal, because the police were once enslaved, targeted by Jim Crow...
CreekDog
Jan 2013
#23
prejudice against paid civil servants is every bit as bad as 400+ years of slavery, jim crow
noiretextatique
Jan 2013
#84
I explicitly said prejudice against police is not as bad as prejudice against the black community
timesamillion
Jan 2013
#86
Yes, it can happen to anyone and no one posting that they were white and/or female was saying it ...
LisaLynne
Jan 2013
#50
Damn! A federal judge? How long ago was this? Hope he sued the CRAP out of them
uponit7771
Jan 2013
#58
cept race should NOT be a factor at all, it's irritating at the least to be harrased by the police
uponit7771
Jan 2013
#60
K&R Same as it ever was. I suppose that the fact that this now gets some bit of notice is
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#70