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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
58. What you have failed to understand from the beginning, don't understand today
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jan 2013

and probably won't understand for some time in the future is:

Expansion of federal power has always been accomplished on a narrow principle and expanded as people see the results and gain confidence in that role.

That is not simply an American process either. Single payer coverage in Canada started with a very narrow hospital coverage in a single province. It then went on to cover catastrophic illness. After a process of about 15 years they finally got single payer coverage. Mind you this came in a system that combines executive and legislative power in a single party through Parliament.

You can look at the same thing happening in all of our federal insurance programs as well. Social Security had a very narrow mission in the beginning. Look at any federal agency, CDC, FDA, USDA, they all started on narrow missions and expanded as people gained confidence in it. Flipping the switch and going national with a direct challenge to the entire health insurance industry would be difficult in a Parliment system but would is impossible under our divided divided power system where 40 Senators from the 20 smallest states accounting for less population than the 2 Senators from our largest state can bring everything to a halt. While it is true that the UK flipped the switch on a big conversion, they did so only after a prolonged war that brought together all classes under a shared sacrifice and with the defense sector already overtaking most of the medical resources of the private sector. In addition to that after getting it passed in our system you then have to get a Republican supreme court to pass that it is constitutional.

For 100 years progressives have wanted to establish legislation establish federal jurisdiction in controlling the health insurance industry and the health system. For 100 years we have failed. We now have that and it has passed the Supreme Court. It will never be taken away.

The real point of the Public Option is to reduce the Medical Loss Ratio to single payer levels. Before the AHCA medical loss ratios in many plans were 35%. Single payer systems typically cost about 7-9%. The ACHA capped it at 20% (25% for small plans). Billlions were saved on premiums and billions were refunded. Moreover, and this is the key point, the structure is in place to bring it down to 18% or to add a public option, maybe on a state by state basis first.

Your cynacism is hard earned and you wear it proudly so I don't expect things like establishing the principle of federal involvement in health care, the reduction of the MLR, the comparing of the context of countries like ours (Canada) or a restatement of the non Parliment radical division of political power to have any impact on your practiced bashing of President Obama. However I will leave you with this: Continuing to diminish the historic achievements of this President is exactly what the reactionary right wing wants you to do.l
Good for you. n/t Dawgs Jan 2013 #1
Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #2
The herd was coming. My post wouldn't have mattered. n/t Dawgs Jan 2013 #18
Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Jan 2013 #36
Me, too! Aristus Jan 2013 #3
And Biden! gateley Jan 2013 #4
Yes, and Biden brush Jan 2013 #38
Biden/Warren 2016 rhiannon55 Jan 2013 #56
Yeah, I noticed.. I love it when VP Biden is Cha Jan 2013 #67
I stand with you, Will. I've never been prouder to have cast a particular ballot. 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #5
+1 freshwest Jan 2013 #33
I second that emotion! thucythucy Jan 2013 #6
Add my name to the list of those that feel the same Vietnameravet Jan 2013 #7
I feel much the same way.. n/t defacto7 Jan 2013 #21
add me... you articulated my feelings too. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #39
Agreed totally. GetRidOfThem Jan 2013 #8
And thank you WilliamPitt ReRe Jan 2013 #9
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2013 #10
Was yesterday, am today, will be tomorrow. grantcart Jan 2013 #11
Better than Bush, but reeds2012 Jan 2013 #19
I'm pleased he's our president Plucketeer Jan 2013 #31
and that's just the thing! reeds2012 Jan 2013 #48
Your question has a really simple answer... Plucketeer Jan 2013 #54
So in other words, you are telling me reeds2012 Jan 2013 #57
And since corporations are now people.... Plucketeer Jan 2013 #66
Horse Hockey zipplewrath Jan 2013 #49
What you have failed to understand from the beginning, don't understand today grantcart Jan 2013 #58
Horse Hockey II zipplewrath Jan 2013 #59
Yes, a very good day. Duval Jan 2013 #12
Agreed, but... progressoid Jan 2013 #13
Me TOO!!! But lately, I'm pretty damn proud of him on a daily basis! calimary Jan 2013 #14
Agreed. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #15
I agree. I thought he did a good job today. Third Doctor Jan 2013 #16
Seeing the two stand together in power, Mira Jan 2013 #17
I am as well. GentryDixon Jan 2013 #20
Kicked and Recommended defacto7 Jan 2013 #22
Obama good Dpm12 Jan 2013 #23
He made me proud too! Joey Liberal Jan 2013 #24
anyone who makes teabaggers foam at the mouth Skittles Jan 2013 #25
Spam deleted by Kali (MIR Team) kylie29 Jan 2013 #70
Agree, Will! Sissyk Jan 2013 #26
AMEN! nt rivegauche Jan 2013 #27
As Am I. Thank You, Mr. President. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #28
So far, Obama has been the real deal. longship Jan 2013 #29
TY Will. Obama and Biden standing together as a team... Hekate Jan 2013 #30
+1 n/t sheshe2 Jan 2013 #37
WE have this back today HockeyMom Jan 2013 #32
I'm glad! I have ALWAYS been proud of voting for this President MindandSoul Jan 2013 #34
So true, and thank you for the post! freckleface Jan 2013 #35
I am so proud of him and VP Biden. femmocrat Jan 2013 #40
You'll see people will rejoice when the ponies & unicorns arrive... Historic NY Jan 2013 #41
Concur. 100th K & R DinahMoeHum Jan 2013 #42
I don't see anything that happened today hfojvt Jan 2013 #43
I'm always glad I voted for this President CakeGrrl Jan 2013 #44
Yes he isn't retreating from the challenge humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #45
We need to have his back marions ghost Jan 2013 #51
amen...me too. spanone Jan 2013 #46
I didn't vote for him however... SHRED Jan 2013 #47
And if you lived in a swing state or red state, for whom would you have voted? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #62
Obama SHRED Jan 2013 #64
Thanks for replying. n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #65
I feel this way al the time. We don't know all that goes on behind the scenes but I trust Pre. Obama hue Jan 2013 #50
Me too disndat Jan 2013 #52
==(((((((( O )))))))))== VOX Jan 2013 #53
I'm just as proud as you! Auntie Bush Jan 2013 #55
Kick Scurrilous Jan 2013 #60
I don't see where the executive orders did much at all. Bake Jan 2013 #61
ditto oldandhappy Jan 2013 #63
I'm proud of voting for this man too williamc1967txlib Jan 2013 #68
K&R Cha Jan 2013 #69
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