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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders Cracks The CODED THREAT To Entitlements In Obama’s State Of The Union [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)11. There
was an earlier post about the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare's response:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002219121
My response, http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002219121#post1
Cutting costs should be clearly defined as reducing waste in the system and other savings unrelated to benefits.
It's good to have Bernie Sanders being very vocal about his opposition. Still, it's unlikely that the President has cuts to benefits in mind because he has always stressed that he will protect benefits and that Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit. Whenever he has talked about cuts, it's to abuse, fraud and waste.
I aslo agree with the NCPSSM:
Our President/CEO, Max Richtman responded:
We share President Obamas belief that we must rebuild our economy in a way that rewards Americans hard work and re-instills fairness into an economic system that too often rewards the rich and punishes everyone else. Ironically, these core American values of hard work, fairness and compassion are also the tenets of the programs most often targeted by Washington for cutsMedicare, Medicaid and Social Security. If offering more reforms leads to benefit cuts for seniors in these vital programs then seniors program will once again become a bargaining chip traded in exchange for tax breaks millionaires dont need in the first place.
The Presidents support for providing a middle class tax cut to help spur the economy is the right policy, but reducing Social Security payroll taxes is the wrong way to do it. Extending the payroll tax cut further endangers Social Securitys financial integrity and could undermine our efforts to defend the program from benefit cuts or privatization. If seniors are required to pay for the payroll tax holiday which most would not benefit from through Medicare cuts as some lawmakers have suggested, that would also be contrary to the Presidents stated goals of fairness.
We urge President Obama to safeguard the middle-class by drawing a clear line in the sand, promising the American people that this so-called holiday will end this year. Restoring Social Securitys successful self-funding model is the only way to preserve its independence for future generations. Max Richtman, NCPSSM President/CEO
The Presidents support for providing a middle class tax cut to help spur the economy is the right policy, but reducing Social Security payroll taxes is the wrong way to do it. Extending the payroll tax cut further endangers Social Securitys financial integrity and could undermine our efforts to defend the program from benefit cuts or privatization. If seniors are required to pay for the payroll tax holiday which most would not benefit from through Medicare cuts as some lawmakers have suggested, that would also be contrary to the Presidents stated goals of fairness.
We urge President Obama to safeguard the middle-class by drawing a clear line in the sand, promising the American people that this so-called holiday will end this year. Restoring Social Securitys successful self-funding model is the only way to preserve its independence for future generations. Max Richtman, NCPSSM President/CEO
Good health-care related point from the NCPSSM:
Just a reminder: according to the Social Security Trustees the Social Security Trust fund currently has a surplus of $2.6 trillion. This surplus is projected to grow until 2022. At that time the balance in the trust funds are projected to be $3.7 trillion. The skyrocketing costs of healthcare system wide have posed a greater threat to Medicare; however, healthcare reform added years of solvency to the program. While theres more work to be done conservatives are now working to undo the progress already made by repealing the Affordable Care Act and reversing the savings already seen in Medicare.
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Bernie Sanders Cracks The CODED THREAT To Entitlements In Obama’s State Of The Union [View all]
Segami
Jan 2012
OP
The President's statement to "rein in long-term costs" applies only to Medicare and Medicaid.
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#88
In his recap of the ACA debate last year, Bernie Sanders himself said that Medicare NEEDS reforms,
patrice
Jan 2012
#114
Couldn't "long term costs" more likely refer to administrative costs which are MORE long-term than
patrice
Jan 2012
#112
He also said, "That's why our health care law relies on a reformed private market,
fasttense
Jan 2012
#91
I for one do NOT want Obama "working with republicans about reforming entitlement programs"
arcane1
Jan 2012
#4
So, you're all okay with Risk Managers deciding what kind of care is available from "health" "care"
patrice
Jan 2012
#116
How do you think that could happen? Process-wise, what would happen that would
patrice
Jan 2012
#124
Well, then go ahead and let the GOP do it by themselves by voting for the GOP candidate. (sarc)
nanabugg
Jan 2012
#61
Agree with part of this & I will add: Repukes fight reform because it can be directed at
patrice
Jan 2012
#117
That's a tired ass line that gets uttered around here. The Obama Bad meme is prominent
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jan 2012
#44
Could be that he was saying TTE "Despite the outcome of the Iraq situation, our military has
patrice
Jan 2012
#118
How about we put off the whole "under the bus" stuff until he is actually put there?
FarLeftFist
Jan 2012
#29
well that is where he is coming from - people have to be realistic and honest like Bernie -
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2012
#13
! So when you turn 65 suddenly a government program can do better?
anAustralianobserver
Jan 2012
#63
I know, this was a straightforward guided missile aimed at Repug talking points.
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#83
Yes, but wasn't there news made here that he now thinks that a government plan option
anAustralianobserver
Jan 2012
#87
Yes and I do recall that during the health care debate, when under pressure from the left to keep
limpyhobbler
Jan 2012
#101
That's what I thought. I guess people like Adam Green will draw attention to this.
anAustralianobserver
Jan 2012
#119
No. He's not talking to Republicans. He is not saying what you are suggesting at all.
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#120
Senator Sanders is fiercely protective of the social safety net and his comments are welcomed.
proverbialwisdom
Jan 2012
#8
I think theymeant veto proof as in a veto would have done more harm than good
cstanleytech
Jan 2012
#66
All of that is right and there is still more that would have made the veto worse...
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#84
"It's a bad idea but you'll find them hawking it on both sides of the aisle."
Hell Hath No Fury
Jan 2012
#43
nope. he isn't. the people using his statement as another excuse to hop on the Breathless Anger
dionysus
Jan 2012
#29
So he promised something that would actually strengthen Social Security but once elected, he does
SammyWinstonJack
Jan 2012
#98
It was not about "cracking a code" he said he was concerned about what would come of it and if
deacon
Jan 2012
#46
except he didn't say anything like that.. but you go ahead and be suspicious if it cheers you
dionysus
Jan 2012
#60
Want reform? Not one more nickel should be borrowed from the SS trust fund for so-called "defense."
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2012
#70
Not nearly as much waste as there is in the Private HC Industry. How about we talk
sabrina 1
Jan 2012
#85
The Republican obstructionists did not appoint the members of the Cat-Food Commission.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2012
#69
Don't worry. Obama will veto any cuts to entitlements. Just like he vetoed the NDAA.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2012
#72