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Fumesucker

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23. I think the very idea of civil liberties is a quaint remnant of a bygone era.

Reply to cthulu2016 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:28 PM

Jan 2013

We live in an era now when the President can order a citizen killed with no judicial review and we aren't even told what the criteria might be.

I'm reading a book right now called "To Engineer Is Human, the role of failure in successful design". I think I have found the key paragraph in the entire book and I think it relates to politics and society every bit as much as engineering.

The paradox of engineering design is that successful structural concepts devolve into failures, while the colossal failures contribute to the evolution of innovative and inspiring structures. However when we understand the the principal objective of the design process as obviating failure the paradox is resolved. For a failed structure provides a counterexample to a hypothesis and shows us incontrovertably what cannot be done, while a structure that stands without incident often conceals whatever lessons or caveats it might hold for the next generation of engineers.

I'm starting to think the second amendment may be a failed structure, on my bleaker days I think our entire society may be a failed structure.

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Proposed: A complete ban on civilian ownership of Firearms [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2013 OP

As soon as you teach the cops to jump through a rip in the fabric of time. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #1

And you mention cops... AceWheeler Jan 2013 #37

Actually, cops are civilians as they are not military. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #39

Because your average every day garden variety gun rrneck Jan 2013 #40

These threads are funny, we can never have to many of them... snooper2 Jan 2013 #2

non-starter BainsBane Jan 2013 #3

I disagree Marrah_G Jan 2013 #4

I think that's overkill Taverner Jan 2013 #5

Stricter regulations and actually enforcing them HappyMe Jan 2013 #6

Only if the ban applies to and is enforced on every person, including criminals and police officers slackmaster Jan 2013 #7

If when a ban goes into effect and you do not turn in your weapons, you become a criminal. RC Jan 2013 #14

I don't own any weapons slackmaster Jan 2013 #45

I'm sure that some might turn in their guns. HappyMe Jan 2013 #51

Are you going to adopt the Japanese system of policing? hack89 Jan 2013 #8

Considered, and dismissed. bluedigger Jan 2013 #9

Disagree. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #10

But they might be attacked by Russia! Animal Chin Jan 2013 #26

And Sarah Palin. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2013 #31

Ah, Sarah Palin, the joke that refuses to go away. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #41

Those who build subs deep in So Amer jungle vote Yes One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #11

I think it's useful to have someone pushing for extreme measures on the left Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12

I think extreme anti-gun arguments do less violence to civil rights overall cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #13

Like the 4th Amendment isn't already quaint and non-functional. RC Jan 2013 #17

I think the very idea of civil liberties is a quaint remnant of a bygone era. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #23

Thought provoking paragraph, Fumesucker... TeeYiYi Jan 2013 #42

I fear I'm coming to your second conclusion, myself. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #48

It's certainly refreshing, at least (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #16

Japan doesn't have 2.3 billion acres of farmland Recursion Jan 2013 #15

By killing off the predators preferred food, so the cows have more to eat. RC Jan 2013 #20

So you thinks your cows are more valuable than my kids? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #21

Well, I was thinking more of chickens. Recursion Jan 2013 #22

Extreme Dpm12 Jan 2013 #18

If I DO need to protect myself then cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #27

Handguns should really be what we're talking about Animal Chin Jan 2013 #35

Exactly. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #50

Nope. Crepuscular Jan 2013 #19

Your OP is what's known in the parlance as "zealotry trolling" Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

I think it's also an example of not all trolling being bad Recursion Jan 2013 #25

It is not any kind of trolling cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #32

Really. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #36

No, it's "you unreasonable people who want to outlaw AR-15s and high magazine clips, hey- Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #34

Your inability to follow simple rules of decency is noted cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #30

Sorry Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #33

Alert results JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #44

Pfffffft. I'm a "sacred cow"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #46

disagree Kali Jan 2013 #28

Nope, banning firearms will never happen in the US rightsideout Jan 2013 #29

If every gun is civilian hands was picked up and destroyed.. MicaelS Jan 2013 #38

I disagree with a complete ban. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #43

Well obviously impractical here, but let's hypothesize dmallind Jan 2013 #47

Disagree Sissyk Jan 2013 #49

Impossible under the Bill of Rights. longship Jan 2013 #52

Have you ever had to shoot a six foot rattlesnake Ilsa Jan 2013 #53

How about devoting this energy toward something possible, like fighting poverty Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #54