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Starry Messenger

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71. OK, thank you for the explanation.

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:39 PM

Jan 2013

That was nice of you.

I've been frustrated in the past with people who say that teachers have job security for life and can't be fired, so that was my beef. Looks like we're cool though.

I think it is natural on DU to want to side with an instructor who holds an "our side" point of view, and want to chastise the extreme right-wing teacher like the one in the OP. However, In my real life as a teacher, I really don't proselytize my political views and would expect that if I did, I would probably have meetings with the Dean too. We're really not supposed to impose our views on students in that fashion.

edit to add: looks from downthread like he has lefty cred--but I would still categorize his views as right-wing on this issue. He's playing into already existing memes on the right.

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