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MadHound

(34,179 posts)
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:44 PM Jan 2013

Do you want to do something to help this planet? Stop flying. [View all]

When you fly, the plane is spewing far more pounds of CO2 into the air per person per mile than a car ever does(even my old '49 DeSoto). Yet over the past fifty years, flying has become de rigueur for most people. Long gone are the days of Mom and Dad packing the kids into a station wagon and driving out for a vacation. Now Mom and Dad make sure that they and their kids are wearing shoes that are easy to slip on and off before they head to the airport and board a plane.

While the numbers vary a bit(due to car and plane model and how long the plane trip is), a rough average is that a plane emits a little over one pound of CO2 per person per mile. Meanwhile, if that same person were driving a car, they would be emitting a bit over 0.6 pounds of CO2 per mile. That is a significant difference.

Worse yet are those planes that are not carrying passengers, but cargo. Our obsession for next day(and now the latest thing, same day) delivery means we're sending up planes, planes and more planes all in order to get your Ginsu knife set to you tomorrow, because you absolutely, positively can't wait until next week for it. A train, even on our nation's horrible rail system, can go coast to coast in four days max, but apparently we've become far too accustomed, far too demanding to wait until then, so it is flown to you instead.

Oh, I know, I know, I can hear all the complaints and snide remarks now, but the fact of the matter is that if you want to accomplish something to abate the severity of global climate change, it is up to you to make that change, because if we leave it up to corporations and the government, it simply isn't going to happen. So it is up to us to make the change we want to see come about.

And really, just how much of a sacrifice are you going to be making? It wasn't that long ago that air mail was hardly used, and most of us waited patiently to get anything that we had ordered, a week or two. No big deal. You simply planned ahead for the delay. Same with travel. When I was a kid, air travel was something for the elite, not the rest of us. So, we took two week, or one week vacations, and drove to our destination. Some of the best times were to be had in the back seat of a car on a long trip.

But now we are a society that is far too into instant gratification. We want our stuff now, not in a week, we want to be there now, not tomorrow. It is this sort of selfish attitude that allows FedEx and Southwest to continue to pollute, and profit, from our poor self control.

So, the next time you want to order something, check the US Post box for shipping. When you want to go somewhere on your vacation, drive, don't fly. We've got to be the change we want to see, because nobody else is going to make that change for us.

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I use USPS for shipping Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
The pounds CO2 per mile traveled per person for flying is about the same as driving a car at 38 MPG. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #2
And don't fly alone, either! frazzled Jan 2013 #5
Take train tama Jan 2013 #33
tama... as soon as we have a train that can travel the same speed as a jet, I'm on board. n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #70
Ah, the Gray Gentlemen, the Time Thieves tama Jan 2013 #77
People actually think we'll always have air travel... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #92
That's not practicable in many cases frazzled Jan 2013 #90
And not to mention tama Jan 2013 #95
to visit my son i have to fly riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #144
Umm, no. MadHound Jan 2013 #7
Airlines would do good to do folding props until they get altitude, take off energy is REALLY high uponit7771 Jan 2013 #126
Um, nothing in your post varies from what I wrote. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #156
I stand by the general points drawn from the data in my post. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #157
What if I drive an electric car in a nuclear or hydroelectric powered neighborhood... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #148
ZNC! NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #150
I have quinnox Jan 2013 #3
I don't fly unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. HughBeaumont Jan 2013 #4
Agreed! Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #29
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #6
+1. closeupready Jan 2013 #22
You forgot to say he's fat and it snowed last week so har har you librul dummies and he's fat. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #102
One small correction; A HERETIC I AM Jan 2013 #8
Dont attack air travel, support Better solutions: Enviro Friendly Jet engines + High Speed Rail stevenleser Jan 2013 #9
We would be best served by a system that uses already existing rights of way Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12
Yes, existing rights of way. IIRC, most trains I have taken in Europe travel alongside highways. stevenleser Jan 2013 #14
You don't need new tech for more efficient aircraft, turbo-prop engines are more efficient and... JVS Jan 2013 #17
I think there are two issues, the noise you mention and the perception of it being older and less stevenleser Jan 2013 #18
No thanks. I like getting a little thing called a paycheck. B2G Jan 2013 #10
Sure. When all the concerned celebrities and politicians give up their private jets. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #11
Then why tama Jan 2013 #34
If me stopping flying generated the same publicity as Al Gore and Bono would Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #37
Weird "logic" tama Jan 2013 #42
I notice you didn't cite any RW public person. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #103
The standard character assassination strategy tama Jan 2013 #108
They were the first two names that sprang to mind Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #125
So, will we have a new fleet of cross-Atlantic liners that can make the trip in 3 days? sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #13
No thanks. zappaman Jan 2013 #15
Clouds look pretty much same everywhere - if you get window seat tama Jan 2013 #35
If I could drive to Palau or Australia or, this year, Thailand...I would. n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #43
By ship... tama Jan 2013 #45
If my vacations was over a month long, maybe. zappaman Jan 2013 #49
When my friends were in traveling age tama Jan 2013 #55
That's pretty awesome! zappaman Jan 2013 #57
Nice bit of attitude there, MadHound Jan 2013 #47
Sorry, but flying is a reality. zappaman Jan 2013 #48
Rationalizing your selfish attitude, hmm. MadHound Jan 2013 #50
ummm... zappaman Jan 2013 #52
I do what is necessary to keep my carbon footprint as small as possible, MadHound Jan 2013 #60
Bully for you! zappaman Jan 2013 #62
In truth tama Jan 2013 #61
I agree! zappaman Jan 2013 #63
K&R The first step to solving a problem is to understand that you have a problem. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #16
I would never see my family Prism Jan 2013 #19
No thanks. closeupready Jan 2013 #20
Airflight is a drop in the bucket. China spews more carbon in an hour... Taverner Jan 2013 #21
Sad, but likely true. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #153
I know you mean well, MadHound, Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #23
Heh RobertEarl Jan 2013 #24
Completely wrong. People are just demanding better solutions than "Dont use airplanes for anything" stevenleser Jan 2013 #25
Yeah, keep on trucking RobertEarl Jan 2013 #31
Translation: "It has to be my way." No, it doesn't. Those are perfectly good solutions. stevenleser Jan 2013 #36
Not my way RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41
If I can get there in 2 days or less driving, I drive liberal N proud Jan 2013 #26
Absolutely would not give up air travel, ever Godhumor Jan 2013 #27
I don't get vacations long enough to drive anywhere. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #28
I am sure in a few years... AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #30
One good thing about 911.........no air traffic for a few days thelordofhell Jan 2013 #32
Not over lower Manhattan. n/t DeadEyeDyck Jan 2013 #68
Some people say things that are absolutely stunning, don't they? alphafemale Jan 2013 #137
The responses to this thread are stunning, MadHound Jan 2013 #38
Hell, if convenience is now something to be ashamed of, why don't we go back to horse and buggy? Godhumor Jan 2013 #44
Let's see, what is that tradeoff? MadHound Jan 2013 #46
So, screed about cars, too Godhumor Jan 2013 #59
Shhhhh...the OP has created their own perfect world for themselves zappaman Jan 2013 #53
At certain phase tama Jan 2013 #71
ok zappaman Jan 2013 #73
I guess he has a windmill Sissyk Jan 2013 #113
Amish are doing fine tama Jan 2013 #106
Yeah. They run the best puppy mills. nt alphafemale Jan 2013 #138
Maybe you should take a math class before advancing idiotic ideas geek tragedy Jan 2013 #88
No... greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #107
Are you stunned that Al Gore travels around by private jet? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #134
Thanks tama Jan 2013 #39
Hey, my first car was a 1952 DeSoto! Oh, and flying IS about the worst thing you can do to the Kip Humphrey Jan 2013 #40
One more reason why I want them to bring back the airships... Ian David Jan 2013 #51
OTOH, airplanes are mass transit of a sort Hekate Jan 2013 #54
Be nice if there was a choice. MindPilot Jan 2013 #56
see this vid: air traffic in 24 hours... Whisp Jan 2013 #58
No problem union_maid Jan 2013 #64
Carbon Tax FreeJoe Jan 2013 #65
I quit flying when my last out-of-state relative died SoCalDem Jan 2013 #66
hmmmm zappaman Jan 2013 #67
Hmmm, looks like your conscience is rattling your cage. MadHound Jan 2013 #69
Project much? zappaman Jan 2013 #72
LOL, your very post belies your words, MadHound Jan 2013 #74
LOL! zappaman Jan 2013 #75
I'm part of the problem, too tama Jan 2013 #89
How do I get to London next month? Glassunion Jan 2013 #76
Boat. MadHound Jan 2013 #78
You realize that the large sea going vessel Godhumor Jan 2013 #83
Why do you hate the planet? Boating is much worse for the environment. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #86
Boats are definitely better for cargo than they are for people for energy efficiency. Silent3 Jan 2013 #91
All ships have crews that need all of that (well, room service???!!!) tama Jan 2013 #99
And for every one member of the crew... Silent3 Jan 2013 #131
Interesting yes tama Jan 2013 #136
Crossing and cruising are two very different trips. MindPilot Jan 2013 #104
A boat would not be economical. I also can't afford the time off of work to make the roundtrip. Glassunion Jan 2013 #94
Maybe you can fly over with your gilded angel wings? zappaman Jan 2013 #79
+infinity alphafemale Jan 2013 #145
And how do I get back to Hawai'i? KamaAina Jan 2013 #96
Take the tunnel. Glassunion Jan 2013 #98
Broom donheld Jan 2013 #160
One thing they found in the week after 9/11 Warpy Jan 2013 #80
And don't have children. And don't eat meat or cheese. And stop using the Internet geek tragedy Jan 2013 #81
Well said! zappaman Jan 2013 #82
If you use a refrigerator or a washing machine, you're like Hitler. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #84
heh RobertEarl Jan 2013 #93
Electricity and houses and meat didn't exist 100 years ago? geek tragedy Jan 2013 #97
Who said houses and meat didn't exist? Only you, geek RobertEarl Jan 2013 #117
Well, sure the rest of the planet would be better off if 4 billion people geek tragedy Jan 2013 #121
See? There is our difference RobertEarl Jan 2013 #127
"It really Is. That. Simple." zappaman Jan 2013 #128
No. Its ecologically minded RobertEarl Jan 2013 #133
Self hating humans tama Jan 2013 #141
No. I did my part by not procreating. I'm flying. n/t MadrasT Jan 2013 #85
Wrong, wrong, wrong. mn9driver Jan 2013 #87
Facts are good... SidDithers Jan 2013 #101
Wow. 378 pounds of co2! RobertEarl Jan 2013 #105
Aviation is 2% of world carbon emissions. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #109
... zappaman Jan 2013 #110
Check this tama Jan 2013 #115
But check this: geek tragedy Jan 2013 #118
Easy solution: tama Jan 2013 #129
Aviation 2% and computers 2%? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #123
Looked and found this: tama Jan 2013 #112
But did you read this part? geek tragedy Jan 2013 #116
Yep, see my reply to your post ;) tama Jan 2013 #124
I flew recently Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #120
Don't worry RobertEarl Jan 2013 #130
Your Prius will blow nearly 500 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere, making the same trip. mn9driver Jan 2013 #132
See Tama's post RobertEarl Jan 2013 #135
I have family overseas so I have to sometimes gollygee Jan 2013 #100
But I cannot drink gin and tonics, non-stop, to JFK. DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #111
I last flew in 1998 IDemo Jan 2013 #114
I'm amazed at moparlunatic Jan 2013 #119
you think only Republicans fly on airplanes? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #122
Yes. name not needed Jan 2013 #142
I believe those are bears you are thinking of Godhumor Jan 2013 #146
If true progressives tama Jan 2013 #154
"LOL" is such a cliche. But this is a rare occasion when I actually did (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #159
it's fine for me. I don't have to travel much BainsBane Jan 2013 #139
Sixteen reccs out of 140 comments pscot Jan 2013 #140
This is the most entertaining thread on DU in a long time Godhumor Jan 2013 #143
Eat Less Meat waterwatcher123 Jan 2013 #147
I think I will be more careful about when I fly now...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2013 #149
Would that I could nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #151
Did you know the internet causes as many emissions as the entire airline industry? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #152
Without internet tama Jan 2013 #155
Did you know... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #158
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