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59. So, screed about cars, too

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 05:13 PM

Jan 2013

My point is, a lot of us have tried to point out that air travel is a fact of life. Either it helps us see family, do our jobs or see more of a world made small and reachable. You are proposing to eliminate that without a direct alternative, and returning flight to a have versus have nots situation. And you pretty much lecture us on being selfish.

So okay, rationale of convenience is gone. Taking two hours to fly versus a full day to drive is now indefensible. The exact situation should apply to any place you can drive in two hours versus riding a horse in a day.

If you say you agree with that then kudos for being consistent. If you don't, then you are saying convenience does become a rational choice and can be applied to travel situations.

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Do you want to do something to help this planet? Stop flying. [View all] MadHound Jan 2013 OP

I use USPS for shipping Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1

The pounds CO2 per mile traveled per person for flying is about the same as driving a car at 38 MPG. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #2

And don't fly alone, either! frazzled Jan 2013 #5

Take train tama Jan 2013 #33

tama... as soon as we have a train that can travel the same speed as a jet, I'm on board. n/t a geek named Bob Jan 2013 #70

Ah, the Gray Gentlemen, the Time Thieves tama Jan 2013 #77

People actually think we'll always have air travel... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #92

That's not practicable in many cases frazzled Jan 2013 #90

And not to mention tama Jan 2013 #95

to visit my son i have to fly riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #144

Umm, no. MadHound Jan 2013 #7

Airlines would do good to do folding props until they get altitude, take off energy is REALLY high uponit7771 Jan 2013 #126

Um, nothing in your post varies from what I wrote. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #156

I stand by the general points drawn from the data in my post. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #157

What if I drive an electric car in a nuclear or hydroelectric powered neighborhood... OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #148

ZNC! NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #150

I have quinnox Jan 2013 #3

I don't fly unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. HughBeaumont Jan 2013 #4

Agreed! Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #29

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #6

+1. closeupready Jan 2013 #22

You forgot to say he's fat and it snowed last week so har har you librul dummies and he's fat. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #102

One small correction; A HERETIC I AM Jan 2013 #8

Dont attack air travel, support Better solutions: Enviro Friendly Jet engines + High Speed Rail stevenleser Jan 2013 #9

We would be best served by a system that uses already existing rights of way Fumesucker Jan 2013 #12

Yes, existing rights of way. IIRC, most trains I have taken in Europe travel alongside highways. stevenleser Jan 2013 #14

You don't need new tech for more efficient aircraft, turbo-prop engines are more efficient and... JVS Jan 2013 #17

I think there are two issues, the noise you mention and the perception of it being older and less stevenleser Jan 2013 #18

No thanks. I like getting a little thing called a paycheck. B2G Jan 2013 #10

Sure. When all the concerned celebrities and politicians give up their private jets. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #11

Then why tama Jan 2013 #34

If me stopping flying generated the same publicity as Al Gore and Bono would Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #37

Weird "logic" tama Jan 2013 #42

I notice you didn't cite any RW public person. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #103

The standard character assassination strategy tama Jan 2013 #108

They were the first two names that sprang to mind Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #125

So, will we have a new fleet of cross-Atlantic liners that can make the trip in 3 days? sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #13

No thanks. zappaman Jan 2013 #15

Clouds look pretty much same everywhere - if you get window seat tama Jan 2013 #35

If I could drive to Palau or Australia or, this year, Thailand...I would. n/t zappaman Jan 2013 #43

By ship... tama Jan 2013 #45

If my vacations was over a month long, maybe. zappaman Jan 2013 #49

When my friends were in traveling age tama Jan 2013 #55

That's pretty awesome! zappaman Jan 2013 #57

Nice bit of attitude there, MadHound Jan 2013 #47

Sorry, but flying is a reality. zappaman Jan 2013 #48

Rationalizing your selfish attitude, hmm. MadHound Jan 2013 #50

ummm... zappaman Jan 2013 #52

I do what is necessary to keep my carbon footprint as small as possible, MadHound Jan 2013 #60

Bully for you! zappaman Jan 2013 #62

In truth tama Jan 2013 #61

I agree! zappaman Jan 2013 #63

K&R The first step to solving a problem is to understand that you have a problem. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #16

I would never see my family Prism Jan 2013 #19

No thanks. closeupready Jan 2013 #20

Airflight is a drop in the bucket. China spews more carbon in an hour... Taverner Jan 2013 #21

Sad, but likely true. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #153

I know you mean well, MadHound, Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #23

Heh RobertEarl Jan 2013 #24

Completely wrong. People are just demanding better solutions than "Dont use airplanes for anything" stevenleser Jan 2013 #25

Yeah, keep on trucking RobertEarl Jan 2013 #31

Translation: "It has to be my way." No, it doesn't. Those are perfectly good solutions. stevenleser Jan 2013 #36

Not my way RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41

If I can get there in 2 days or less driving, I drive liberal N proud Jan 2013 #26

Absolutely would not give up air travel, ever Godhumor Jan 2013 #27

I don't get vacations long enough to drive anywhere. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #28

I am sure in a few years... AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #30

One good thing about 911.........no air traffic for a few days thelordofhell Jan 2013 #32

Not over lower Manhattan. n/t DeadEyeDyck Jan 2013 #68

Some people say things that are absolutely stunning, don't they? alphafemale Jan 2013 #137

The responses to this thread are stunning, MadHound Jan 2013 #38

Hell, if convenience is now something to be ashamed of, why don't we go back to horse and buggy? Godhumor Jan 2013 #44

Let's see, what is that tradeoff? MadHound Jan 2013 #46

So, screed about cars, too Godhumor Jan 2013 #59

Shhhhh...the OP has created their own perfect world for themselves zappaman Jan 2013 #53

At certain phase tama Jan 2013 #71

ok zappaman Jan 2013 #73

I guess he has a windmill Sissyk Jan 2013 #113

Amish are doing fine tama Jan 2013 #106

Yeah. They run the best puppy mills. nt alphafemale Jan 2013 #138

Maybe you should take a math class before advancing idiotic ideas geek tragedy Jan 2013 #88

No... greytdemocrat Jan 2013 #107

Are you stunned that Al Gore travels around by private jet? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #134

Thanks tama Jan 2013 #39

Hey, my first car was a 1952 DeSoto! Oh, and flying IS about the worst thing you can do to the Kip Humphrey Jan 2013 #40

One more reason why I want them to bring back the airships... Ian David Jan 2013 #51

OTOH, airplanes are mass transit of a sort Hekate Jan 2013 #54

Be nice if there was a choice. MindPilot Jan 2013 #56

see this vid: air traffic in 24 hours... Whisp Jan 2013 #58

No problem union_maid Jan 2013 #64

Carbon Tax FreeJoe Jan 2013 #65

I quit flying when my last out-of-state relative died SoCalDem Jan 2013 #66

hmmmm zappaman Jan 2013 #67

Hmmm, looks like your conscience is rattling your cage. MadHound Jan 2013 #69

Project much? zappaman Jan 2013 #72

LOL, your very post belies your words, MadHound Jan 2013 #74

LOL! zappaman Jan 2013 #75

I'm part of the problem, too tama Jan 2013 #89

How do I get to London next month? Glassunion Jan 2013 #76

Boat. MadHound Jan 2013 #78

You realize that the large sea going vessel Godhumor Jan 2013 #83

Why do you hate the planet? Boating is much worse for the environment. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #86

Boats are definitely better for cargo than they are for people for energy efficiency. Silent3 Jan 2013 #91

All ships have crews that need all of that (well, room service???!!!) tama Jan 2013 #99

And for every one member of the crew... Silent3 Jan 2013 #131

Interesting yes tama Jan 2013 #136

Crossing and cruising are two very different trips. MindPilot Jan 2013 #104

A boat would not be economical. I also can't afford the time off of work to make the roundtrip. Glassunion Jan 2013 #94

Maybe you can fly over with your gilded angel wings? zappaman Jan 2013 #79

+infinity alphafemale Jan 2013 #145

And how do I get back to Hawai'i? KamaAina Jan 2013 #96

Take the tunnel. Glassunion Jan 2013 #98

Broom donheld Jan 2013 #160

One thing they found in the week after 9/11 Warpy Jan 2013 #80

And don't have children. And don't eat meat or cheese. And stop using the Internet geek tragedy Jan 2013 #81

Well said! zappaman Jan 2013 #82

If you use a refrigerator or a washing machine, you're like Hitler. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #84

heh RobertEarl Jan 2013 #93

Electricity and houses and meat didn't exist 100 years ago? geek tragedy Jan 2013 #97

Who said houses and meat didn't exist? Only you, geek RobertEarl Jan 2013 #117

Well, sure the rest of the planet would be better off if 4 billion people geek tragedy Jan 2013 #121

See? There is our difference RobertEarl Jan 2013 #127

"It really Is. That. Simple." zappaman Jan 2013 #128

No. Its ecologically minded RobertEarl Jan 2013 #133

Self hating humans tama Jan 2013 #141

No. I did my part by not procreating. I'm flying. n/t MadrasT Jan 2013 #85

Wrong, wrong, wrong. mn9driver Jan 2013 #87

Facts are good... SidDithers Jan 2013 #101

Wow. 378 pounds of co2! RobertEarl Jan 2013 #105

Aviation is 2% of world carbon emissions. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #109

... zappaman Jan 2013 #110

Check this tama Jan 2013 #115

But check this: geek tragedy Jan 2013 #118

Easy solution: tama Jan 2013 #129

Aviation 2% and computers 2%? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #123

Looked and found this: tama Jan 2013 #112

But did you read this part? geek tragedy Jan 2013 #116

Yep, see my reply to your post ;) tama Jan 2013 #124

I flew recently Travis_0004 Jan 2013 #120

Don't worry RobertEarl Jan 2013 #130

Your Prius will blow nearly 500 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere, making the same trip. mn9driver Jan 2013 #132

See Tama's post RobertEarl Jan 2013 #135

I have family overseas so I have to sometimes gollygee Jan 2013 #100

But I cannot drink gin and tonics, non-stop, to JFK. DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #111

I last flew in 1998 IDemo Jan 2013 #114

I'm amazed at moparlunatic Jan 2013 #119

you think only Republicans fly on airplanes? nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #122

Yes. name not needed Jan 2013 #142

I believe those are bears you are thinking of Godhumor Jan 2013 #146

If true progressives tama Jan 2013 #154

"LOL" is such a cliche. But this is a rare occasion when I actually did (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #159

it's fine for me. I don't have to travel much BainsBane Jan 2013 #139

Sixteen reccs out of 140 comments pscot Jan 2013 #140

This is the most entertaining thread on DU in a long time Godhumor Jan 2013 #143

Eat Less Meat waterwatcher123 Jan 2013 #147

I think I will be more careful about when I fly now...... Swede Atlanta Jan 2013 #149

Would that I could nt Xipe Totec Jan 2013 #151

Did you know the internet causes as many emissions as the entire airline industry? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #152

Without internet tama Jan 2013 #155

Did you know... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #158