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In reply to the discussion: Do you want to do something to help this planet? Stop flying. [View all]tama
(9,137 posts)112. Looked and found this:
We hear much about the environmental costs of air travel. As our recent Q&A explained, the problem is not just that planes burn a lot of fuel and therefore kick out plenty of CO2 per passenger. Just as important are a host of other high-altitude impacts, including vapour trails and ozone production, that are usually estimated to cause as much warming as the CO2 itself.
Hence we often hear that although air travel accounts for only a small fraction of global emissions (relatively few people can afford to fly), one transatlantic flight can add as much to your carbon footprint as a typical year's worth of driving.
Surely it couldn't get any worse, could it? Unfortunately for green-minded air travellers, it just did. Kind of.
The wrinkle, always vaguely understood by climate geeks but finally explored in depth in a recent scientific paper, is that the relative impact of different types of travel depends not just on practical factors such as engine efficiency and occupancy rates, but also on something altogether more abstract: the time frame you care about.
The reason this is so crucial is that the effects of different greenhouse gases play out in the atmosphere at a different speeds. CO2, released by all fuel-burning vehicles, can remain in the air for centuries, causing a gentle warming effect. By contrast, most other gases and impacts such as the vapour trails and tropospheric ozone produced by planes at altitude cause much more potent but shorter-lived bursts of warming.
Hence we often hear that although air travel accounts for only a small fraction of global emissions (relatively few people can afford to fly), one transatlantic flight can add as much to your carbon footprint as a typical year's worth of driving.
Surely it couldn't get any worse, could it? Unfortunately for green-minded air travellers, it just did. Kind of.
The wrinkle, always vaguely understood by climate geeks but finally explored in depth in a recent scientific paper, is that the relative impact of different types of travel depends not just on practical factors such as engine efficiency and occupancy rates, but also on something altogether more abstract: the time frame you care about.
The reason this is so crucial is that the effects of different greenhouse gases play out in the atmosphere at a different speeds. CO2, released by all fuel-burning vehicles, can remain in the air for centuries, causing a gentle warming effect. By contrast, most other gases and impacts such as the vapour trails and tropospheric ozone produced by planes at altitude cause much more potent but shorter-lived bursts of warming.
More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/sep/09/carbon-emissions-planes-shipping
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The pounds CO2 per mile traveled per person for flying is about the same as driving a car at 38 MPG.
NYC_SKP
Jan 2013
#2
tama... as soon as we have a train that can travel the same speed as a jet, I'm on board. n/t
a geek named Bob
Jan 2013
#70
Airlines would do good to do folding props until they get altitude, take off energy is REALLY high
uponit7771
Jan 2013
#126
What if I drive an electric car in a nuclear or hydroelectric powered neighborhood...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#148
You forgot to say he's fat and it snowed last week so har har you librul dummies and he's fat.
2ndAmForComputers
Jan 2013
#102
Dont attack air travel, support Better solutions: Enviro Friendly Jet engines + High Speed Rail
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#9
We would be best served by a system that uses already existing rights of way
Fumesucker
Jan 2013
#12
Yes, existing rights of way. IIRC, most trains I have taken in Europe travel alongside highways.
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#14
You don't need new tech for more efficient aircraft, turbo-prop engines are more efficient and...
JVS
Jan 2013
#17
I think there are two issues, the noise you mention and the perception of it being older and less
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#18
Sure. When all the concerned celebrities and politicians give up their private jets.
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#11
So, will we have a new fleet of cross-Atlantic liners that can make the trip in 3 days?
sinkingfeeling
Jan 2013
#13
K&R The first step to solving a problem is to understand that you have a problem.
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#16
Completely wrong. People are just demanding better solutions than "Dont use airplanes for anything"
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#25
Translation: "It has to be my way." No, it doesn't. Those are perfectly good solutions.
stevenleser
Jan 2013
#36
Hell, if convenience is now something to be ashamed of, why don't we go back to horse and buggy?
Godhumor
Jan 2013
#44
Hey, my first car was a 1952 DeSoto! Oh, and flying IS about the worst thing you can do to the
Kip Humphrey
Jan 2013
#40
Boats are definitely better for cargo than they are for people for energy efficiency.
Silent3
Jan 2013
#91
A boat would not be economical. I also can't afford the time off of work to make the roundtrip.
Glassunion
Jan 2013
#94
And don't have children. And don't eat meat or cheese. And stop using the Internet
geek tragedy
Jan 2013
#81
Well, sure the rest of the planet would be better off if 4 billion people
geek tragedy
Jan 2013
#121
Your Prius will blow nearly 500 pounds of CO2 into the atmosphere, making the same trip.
mn9driver
Jan 2013
#132
"LOL" is such a cliche. But this is a rare occasion when I actually did (nt)
Nye Bevan
Jan 2013
#159
Did you know the internet causes as many emissions as the entire airline industry?
NoOneMan
Jan 2013
#152