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Phillip McCleod

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79. v is an anti-hero part of a long tradition in superhero comic books

Reply to graham4anything (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 02:58 PM

Jan 2013

dating back to the golden age. some titles started getting too edgy for the times and eventually the comics code authority was invented to censor comics and for decades they were until marvel started breaking the rules in the 80s. vertigo comics spinoff of d.c. comics brought english writers and artists in the 'british invasion' of the 90s led by alan moore, neil gaiman, grant morrison, dave mckean, and so forth. vertigo comics didn't have the seal of the c.c.a. and underground comics merged with the mainstream making possible a much more creative artistic and literary field the graphic novel.

v is one of those characters who is a product of his environment and 2-dimensional in that regard. he isn't the real hero of the story because he doesn't change. we see this 'rise of the sidekick' theme in other british invasion graphic novels from the period 'the dark knight' springs to mind.

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I stand corrected. I check the internets and see what you are saying. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #99

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what did he do to Evey? hfojvt Jan 2013 #74

Ah, then the scalding with hot steam must have been good clean fun... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #112

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I think the guy ordering the troops to stand down was likely following protocol Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #97

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except for one chemistry grad student and a few unimportant janitors you are saying??? graham4anything Jan 2013 #25

I work as a janitor myself hfojvt Jan 2013 #39

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maybe Chevy Chase is too hfojvt Jan 2013 #43

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actually, not really hfojvt Jan 2013 #46

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to me that sounds like hfojvt Jan 2013 #58

To me that sounds tama Jan 2013 #67

dialogue would involve hfojvt Jan 2013 #116

No intention to attack, quite the opposite tama Jan 2013 #119

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