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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
13. From the movie First Monday in October (1981)
Sat Jan 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jan 2013


How do you tell the difference between really bad porn and really good art? I recall a performance artist who bathed in pig offal. And another who did "paint enemas". And of course there's Vito Acconci's Seedbed.

In the piece, there is a low wooden ramp merging with the floor. The ramp extends across the width of the room, beginning two feet up the side of one wall and slanting down to the middle of the floor.

In his original performance of the piece, Acconci lay hidden underneath the ramp installed at the Sonnabend Gallery, masturbating. The artist's spoken fantasies about the visitors walking above him were heard through loudspeakers in the gallery.


Performance artists are so out there.

This guy? I hope there aren't enough people in the world who would get off on the crap he produced to be able to call it porn. Then again there might. If you add to them the number of people who would look at just plain old shock content to be able to say they had seen it, maybe it was a money making proposition. Was it art? I don't think he intended it to be so. I don't think the jury thought so either.

One of the most famous tropes in art school is "where are you going with this?" In the trial of the Contemporary Arts Center in Cincinnatti's exhibition of the Mapplethorpe exhibit the jury could see the artist was going somewhere worthwhile, which is to say he was going for a deeper insight into the human condition. This Isaacs asshole was just going to the bank.

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Filmmaker Gets 4 Years for Grossing Out Jurors [View all] DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 OP
Oh, This Is Going To End Well, Fella.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #1
Four Jurors One Hide jberryhill Jan 2013 #28
Are the animals consenting adults? Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #2
Oh boy. HappyMe Jan 2013 #3
yikes, I'm grossed out just reading it quinnox Jan 2013 #4
The defense should have packed the panel with DU jurors Brother Buzz Jan 2013 #5
So it would end in chaos and inflghting and be declared a mistrial? randome Jan 2013 #19
I'd imagine animal cruelty is the issue. alphafemale Jan 2013 #6
Wasn't there a SCOTUS case, in which only Alito objected to crush films? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #27
Revolting, disgusting, horrible, and protected by the 1st Amendment. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #7
Beastiality is protected by the 1st Amendment? NT EOTE Jan 2013 #18
The portrayal of it is... Deep13 Jan 2013 #24
Anyone care to join me on the couch? bunnies Jan 2013 #8
Pass the salt wouldja? lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #10
Ive got plenty! bunnies Jan 2013 #11
I smell a "progressive blue screen of death" coming... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #9
Look, I can live with obscenity laws Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #16
And besides 2naSalit Jan 2013 #17
I'm personally a big believer in severe public beatings for douchebag behavior... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #21
Patronizing women and telling them they can't make their own choices NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #25
Freedom is the absense of coercion, not merely being physically unimpeded by authority. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #32
Which goes back to my point. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #33
If you want to believe that a tangible number of people completely free of coersive forces Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #34
I was responding to the more general point you made about porn. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #35
the general point was about DU's sacred cows Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #36
I can support his right to free expression until he starts hurting animals bluestateguy Jan 2013 #12
From the movie First Monday in October (1981) rrneck Jan 2013 #13
When I first read a review of this, I thought I was reading a parody: REP Jan 2013 #31
Dummy, he should have just called it "performance art" n/t flamingdem Jan 2013 #14
Sex with animals is animal cruelty, not protected by free speech RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #15
Animals can't consent. This is likely animal cruelty, MadrasT Jan 2013 #20
They also don't consent to being poleaxed kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #23
Fuck that animal abuser. Hope he enjoys prison. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #22
Plenty of his kind there. undeterred Jan 2013 #26
Consenting adults who cares the animals did not have a choice and he deserves more than jail stultusporcos Jan 2013 #29
animal abusers can go to hell Texasgal Jan 2013 #30
It's really simple... derby378 Jan 2013 #37
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