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186. So, the pre-req to being a "threat" when carrying guns in a forum is to have shot someone first

Sat Jan 19, 2013, 04:37 PM

Jan 2013

and the gun(s) must be stolen? Is that what you're saying? How in the hell does anybody know that when they see Bozo brandishing his big-ass firearm?

I'm being sarcastic, but if I see someone carrying an assault rifle or whatever weapon into a public forum, I'm going to take action, especially with what has happened around this country recently. Because, I don't know what that person's intentions are, but I do know and see he's carrying a deadly weapon in an improper forum

I'm sorry, but this goof who was hauling his weapon to a mall has some mental issues. Anyone who feels like he needs to display something like that in a mall or similar setting, knowing it would intimidate and scare many of those who see this, is not mentally responsible enough to own such a piece of equipment.

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About the guy who walked into JC Penny's with an AR-15 [View all] IdaBriggs Jan 2013 OP

Well said. If I encounter someone carrying a rifle slung over their shoulder in a store I will drop peacebird Jan 2013 #1

In this age when people walk into places like theaters and schools and just shoot away... bulloney Jan 2013 #11

I'd like to think I would plow into him and take him down UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #43

I fi saw him in the parking lot i'd hit him with my car, and elehhhhna Jan 2013 #49

It would be an interesting court case UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #54

You would walk. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #82

And make sure to inform all businesses in the area that you left because you feared harm by it. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #105

You would go to jail. loose wheel Jan 2013 #118

I didn't say it would be worth it, UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #121

No, it wouldn't. Your lawyer would advise you to not go to trial. nt loose wheel Jan 2013 #123

I meant watch. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #129

What if a heavily armed guy gives you a "look" bhikkhu Jan 2013 #162

Don't attempt to read a look. loose wheel Jan 2013 #164

You have replied several times. I am not sure you understand my point. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #179

That's fine for a five year old loose wheel Jan 2013 #190

Thought About This Some, Have You? Paladin Jan 2013 #188

So nice of you to self identify as a) a gun nut; TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #203

Which prompts the question-- lolly Jan 2013 #265

Not so fast. Not if that law is written explicitly in terms of firearms. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #288

Where does "stand your ground" fit into this? xtraxritical Jan 2013 #280

You have seriously been watching to many Bruce Willis movies... Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #285

I don't own any firearms and never will, xtraxritical Jan 2013 #302

umm did you look where my reply was directed at? It wasnt you. Katashi_itto Jan 2013 #306

You KNOW WHAT I FIND TRULY SICK? TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #201

But it's perfectly fine adieu Jan 2013 #225

It appears it was for a short period of time in that Florida Town. ... spin Jan 2013 #304

Much better to find out he really wasn't a "good guy" lolly Jan 2013 #266

Good thing no one hit any of the recent mass murderers Tunkamerica Jan 2013 #282

Clever sig line. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #305

Please tell the court, Mr UnrepentantLiberal ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #182

A plainclothes police officer? lolly Jan 2013 #267

I drive a school bus and if I saw someone armed like that Pakid Jan 2013 #180

As a parent of a Kid who was in theater nine in July nonoxy9 Jan 2013 #80

oh my goodness renate Jan 2013 #144

What an idiot indeed! SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #248

I agree with SouthernDonkey duhneece Jan 2013 #292

IMO a person carrying a rifle openly into an area filled with people is a bad guy. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #104

He doesn't have to justify anything loose wheel Jan 2013 #122

If someone had yelled "he's got a gun!" when Adam Lanza entered Sandy Hook, pnwmom Jan 2013 #127

Adam Lanza... loose wheel Jan 2013 #134

So if a guy walks into an Elementary School with an AR-15 ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #148

Carrying a gun into a school zone is a federal offense jmowreader Jan 2013 #191

If the gun is moved in or affects interstate commerce ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #195

Carrying guns into Penneys isn't a Federal offense. pnwmom Jan 2013 #196

Exactly. lolly Jan 2013 #268

JC Penny should say not in our stores. Bad for business. klyon Jan 2013 #150

Isnt that sad Robyn66 Jan 2013 #158

It's a very common sight in Oklahoma Wednesdays Jan 2013 #168

The purpose of those stickers is to prevent idiots trying to make stupid "points" kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #181

I have family in Oklahoma xmas74 Jan 2013 #239

That was dumb...eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #290

Target does say just that. xmas74 Jan 2013 #237

So, the pre-req to being a "threat" when carrying guns in a forum is to have shot someone first bulloney Jan 2013 #186

And it's a small act of terrorism. FredStembottom Jan 2013 #226

Yep. lolly Jan 2013 #269

Nope. Never. FredStembottom Jan 2013 #303

So if Adam Lanza had just walked into PENNEYS with his "guns stowed on his person" pnwmom Jan 2013 #194

People don't have the right to LEAVE? HockeyMom Jan 2013 #133

But they apparently didn't loose wheel Jan 2013 #138

If any of the patrons had children with them they would be irresponsible parents LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #146

They would have had to make a proper threat determination loose wheel Jan 2013 #151

Based on what I could find for Utah the businesses can bar patrons with firearms. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #145

It would be pretty hard for someone to conceal carry an assault rifle on his person. pnwmom Jan 2013 #234

Not in the North in the Winter HockeyMom Jan 2013 #242

Well, this lovely Penney's nutcase might not get as much a kick pnwmom Jan 2013 #245

Holy Cow! lolly Jan 2013 #274

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #153

Scared? loose wheel Jan 2013 #166

Your sheriff is a "democrat sheriff?" Wednesdays Jan 2013 #172

Uhm...why? loose wheel Jan 2013 #198

Because we understand what an adjective is, and what a noun is. jeff47 Jan 2013 #200

I really don't follow all of that closely. loose wheel Jan 2013 #211

I grew up around guns too Robyn66 Jan 2013 #216

You don't follow the basics of parts of speech? jeff47 Jan 2013 #218

Most of us here are DEMOCRATS, the same word you use. pnwmom Jan 2013 #276

Your story is changing. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #284

uhm...nothing, rly...just go about your business... tex-wyo-dem Jan 2013 #215

After all this time lolly Jan 2013 #272

If all you watch is Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. deutsey Jan 2013 #293

Yelling "Fire" in a theatre isnt a crime when theres a fire. bunnies Jan 2013 #171

RW Gun trolls don't like it when you pick apart their idiotic arguments. Son of Gob Jan 2013 #187

Loose wheel? Loose cannon. Hekate Jan 2013 #174

Nah. loose wheel Jan 2013 #185

No. They fly off at highway speed and cause multi-vehicle... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #209

Yeah, thanks for stoking confusion among pepole Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #177

I'd settle for gun nuts finding another forum and quit making this one so shitty. Son of Gob Jan 2013 #192

I don't consider myself a gun nut... loose wheel Jan 2013 #193

Oh, well shit, it's so simple! Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #197

If you are afraid... loose wheel Jan 2013 #204

Spare me the gun lesson Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #208

^^^^^ Squinch Jan 2013 #249

I second that. lolly Jan 2013 #275

Thank you for cutting through the bullshit deutsey Jan 2013 #294

Using an AR-15 chambered for .223 ammunition as a "varmint gun" is kind of like using a sledgehammer ET Awful Jan 2013 #223

one small issue Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #230

So, meanit Jan 2013 #273

Over confidence is quite common with these folks lolly Jan 2013 #271

You're putting the onus of the problem on the wrong person. Your analysis is wrong. kwassa Jan 2013 #256

No, yelling "He's got a gun" would be just an observation. Gormy Cuss Jan 2013 #178

For what reason did you carry rifles into areas filled with people? pacalo Jan 2013 #206

I was at a rifle range. loose wheel Jan 2013 #212

I just *knew* that would be your answer. pacalo Jan 2013 #217

I'm going to ask you to use your brain a little here Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #227

Yeah, he has a perfect right to be a crazed weapons nut. pnwmom Jan 2013 #233

Lots of things are legal, but an affront to society. Hoyt Jan 2013 #240

Yelling, "He's gotta gun" is going to be viewed as about the same as yelling, "Fire" in a theater. SoCalNative Jan 2013 #241

Or in Somalia...n/t deutsey Jan 2013 #296

You are fucking insane. MirrorAshes Jan 2013 #243

If a man walked in to a JC Penney store I was in at a counter I would leave my things and find a southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #2

This is what I would do as well Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #9

+1. And I agree with the OP that this moron is too stupid to be allowed a gun. Squinch Jan 2013 #10

I think he was just screaming for attention. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #64

And fully aware that he would terrify a lot of people in the process. Squinch Jan 2013 #65

Yep. He terrified me. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #111

And that, as we know, is the very definition of a terrorist. Hekate Jan 2013 #120

I would say so. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #126

Betcha there are federal anti-terrorist laws that would fit the bill on that. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #147

100% correct malaise Jan 2013 #16

me too. Your rights to carry a gun shouldn't trump my rights of having you shop in a store with a southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #63

Even the wild west wasn't that way Major Nikon Jan 2013 #88

Dang! Those were the good old days? tblue Jan 2013 #103

This needs to be shown more. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #106

I guess they had enough of the nuts and fruits just like we are over them. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #112

I see it more as the transition between civilized and uncivilized Major Nikon Jan 2013 #117

I don't think they would freak had it been done by a republican president. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #125

People like this man WANT the attention HockeyMom Jan 2013 #170

Could not agree more except I'd have called from home and told them why I left. marew Jan 2013 #176

That is what I would do. You know I bet there are allot of silent majority who would do the same. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #183

So would I -- you better believe it. pacalo Jan 2013 #207

Exactly what I was thinking. jillan Jan 2013 #252

You can call Penneys 24 hrs/day at 800-322-1189 to let them know you want a no-gun policy. Squinch Jan 2013 #260

Why thank you. I will be calling them on Monday morning. I will also let them know southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #262

Excellent madokie Jan 2013 #3

I would have made my way to the HappyMe Jan 2013 #4

I agree... KansDem Jan 2013 #140

Yup. HappyMe Jan 2013 #142

An AR-15 is NOT a hunting rifle. RebelOne Jan 2013 #5

If by "blast a deer to bits" you mean justanidea Jan 2013 #13

An AR-15 in a JC Penny, even if it WERE a "hunting rifle" annabanana Jan 2013 #38

That's right sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #92

no you would not Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #14

You'd be howled out of the woods around these parts if you brought an AR-15 to hunt deer IDemo Jan 2013 #59

I think it's a generational thing Recursion Jan 2013 #73

Err...Sam round..for starters. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #70

definitely... raidert05 Jan 2013 #27

A Barret .50 cal? Rozlee Jan 2013 #163

LOL... raidert05 Jan 2013 #169

Nice rant Ida 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #6

"Things just keep getting worse" & "It will only get worse if not curbed." pacalo Jan 2013 #213

I absolutely agree with you on the treason charge. 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #219

As a person who has always loved words, I don't use them without thought. pacalo Jan 2013 #220

Cogent Argument For Eliminating Guns In Society cantbeserious Jan 2013 #7

Gun Enthusiast Backing For That Assault Rifle-Toting Putz Is Notably Absent On Other Related Threads Paladin Jan 2013 #8

No, the guy is an idiot Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #17

He is a lot worse than an "idiot". nt ladjf Jan 2013 #139

As a gun owner I don't think his actions were wise or considerate aikoaiko Jan 2013 #20

But that's as far as it goes? Unwise and inconsiderate? Squinch Jan 2013 #51

How about unwise and very inconsiderate. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #71

Seriously? Squinch Jan 2013 #72

you not much smarter than that man Skittles Jan 2013 #114

What's wrong with saying it was unwise and inconsiderate? aikoaiko Jan 2013 #115

What do you want? Mean-spirited? Trollish? Recursion Jan 2013 #74

Cutting in line at the movie theater is unwise and inconsiderate. This was insane. No one in that Squinch Jan 2013 #84

What did it put people in danger of? Recursion Jan 2013 #85

For one thing, he put us in danger from the guy who thinks Wayne LaPierre is a sensible man. Squinch Jan 2013 #87

Apparently you don't think as many obviously do. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #95

Well, the bad guy wouldn't let people see he had a gun before his rampage Recursion Jan 2013 #97

Most do probably hide their guns until they use them, but if I A Simple Game Jan 2013 #102

Yeah, there's no chance he could be an unhinged nutjob lolly Jan 2013 #278

The bad guy is the one with the gun. SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #229

Check this out. As we all suspected, the guy is a complete obsessed psycho. Squinch Jan 2013 #246

I was wondering about that - it seems he didn't piss off anyone in that Utah store. Did anyone DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #99

I don't know anything about the community. I've lived places where this wouldn't raise an eyebrow Recursion Jan 2013 #100

I am pretty remote rural, but I haven't seen it here. But no, it wouldn't raise an eyebrow DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #107

Furthermore, I believe that he is hurting the arguments being made in favor of gun ownership. ladjf Jan 2013 #141

It was a dumb idea krispos42 Jan 2013 #12

The report indicated he had a CC permit. Robb Jan 2013 #25

Then he should have been carrying CONCEALED. krispos42 Jan 2013 #35

Should have, but didn't. What shall we do about it? Robb Jan 2013 #36

Many states have a prohibition about open carry... krispos42 Jan 2013 #44

Yes, the point is to be inflammatory BainsBane Jan 2013 #39

What's to prevent a "bad guy" from taking that weapon? Martin Eden Jan 2013 #15

I think the bigger question is how to know that he is not the lunatic malaise Jan 2013 #18

Yeah. If I saw this guy I would have run the hell out of there and then called 911. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #28

Because it's people influenced by a phase of the moon that are homicidal HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #29

OK I'll LOL at your interesting response malaise Jan 2013 #31

Intentionally or not you flicked a switch for me. HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #34

Well it's all good then malaise Jan 2013 #40

Lunatics don't display their weapons before they fire Recursion Jan 2013 #76

They're lunatics. You can't count on any particular behavior. jeff47 Jan 2013 #210

That's the FIRST question, which was examined very cogently in the OP ... Martin Eden Jan 2013 #130

Amen it is ridiculously dangerous to have that in a JC Penney's treestar Jan 2013 #83

this: KG Jan 2013 #19

Well, exactly. How is anyone to know that he is NOT just another nut who legally bought his Nay Jan 2013 #32

Ban magazines of over 5 rounds daybranch Jan 2013 #21

This is interesting. Would you say more about this? I am not understanding why 5 rounds vs. 10 Squinch Jan 2013 #55

What does 5 rounds make impossible? Shooting a sixth round. Recursion Jan 2013 #78

Daybranch seemed to be saying that guns with 5 round magazines are fundamentally Squinch Jan 2013 #90

The magazine size has nothing to do with the gun per se Recursion Jan 2013 #96

The AR15 inaccurate at distance? Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #184

"My immediate response would have to be "To Hunt."" Robb Jan 2013 #22

I feel you as I'm freaked out whenever I see a weapon in public (let alone a retail establishment). Snarkoleptic Jan 2013 #23

I agree, but the sign needs to say "firearms", not "weapons". Here's why: MH1 Jan 2013 #45

Our local grocery store has "No Firearms" signs... hunter Jan 2013 #131

K&R. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #24

Better to change laws rather than peoples opinion. xoom Jan 2013 #26

That "legal and responsible" gun owner is... 99Forever Jan 2013 #30

Ida;s best and most important line: RVN VET Jan 2013 #33

I thought that, too. Black guys get shot for carrying Skittles on the street. Beartracks Jan 2013 #113

The thing that fool likely did not consider was he was liklier to get shot himself Coyotl Jan 2013 #37

Everyone should leave the store & not come back for a week. MAKE the Mall say no guns allowed on point Jan 2013 #41

Very poor taste... raidert05 Jan 2013 #42

The irony is that in a state with a Stand Your Ground law. zeemike Jan 2013 #46

Good point! csziggy Jan 2013 #108

That would send YOU to jail really quick. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #136

You mean it is unreasonable to think zeemike Jan 2013 #143

If.. raidert05 Jan 2013 #175

Well there would be this question. zeemike Jan 2013 #214

If he was raidert05 Jan 2013 #224

Well what if. zeemike Jan 2013 #228

Well.. raidert05 Jan 2013 #231

Any public place. zeemike Jan 2013 #232

If thats... raidert05 Jan 2013 #244

Well you can make the story sound like you want it to zeemike Jan 2013 #247

You need to make sure your "story" matches ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #254

I am not planing to do any of this BTW zeemike Jan 2013 #258

Hypothetically, this is where you might get in trouble. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #259

Well how about this one then. zeemike Jan 2013 #261

In this scenario, you are the armed aggressor. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #263

Well to keep this going. zeemike Jan 2013 #270

The problem here is you did not warn him but you threatened him. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #281

Well perhaps that is our problem zeemike Jan 2013 #291

I don't think you even have to be paranoid deutsey Jan 2013 #299

No where... raidert05 Jan 2013 #255

No I get what you are saying. zeemike Jan 2013 #257

Ida, if you put a note at the TOP of this excerpt, tblue37 Jan 2013 #47

I did write it. The link is to a news story about the guy with the AR-15 IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #48

AHHHH--MY mistake, then! tblue37 Jan 2013 #52

It was my fault for not being clear, and I immediately IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #53

All fairly reasonable points in the wake of something like this pipoman Jan 2013 #50

You are describing the case that occurred some years ago in Wichita. tblue37 Jan 2013 #77

Yep.. pipoman Jan 2013 #161

Well said IdaBriggs, Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #56

K&R SunSeeker Jan 2013 #57

+1000 LiberalEsto Jan 2013 #58

One of the best thing about my state is that you cannot carry at all! Walk away Jan 2013 #60

Really excellent post. Correct on every point. The man is mad, this is madness. mountain grammy Jan 2013 #61

This IS terrorism... and should not be considered acceptable behavior in any community Agony Jan 2013 #62

"This IS terrorism." Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #89

I wonder what donco Jan 2013 #66

As a parent Thav Jan 2013 #67

Come on.. sendero Jan 2013 #68

In California he would have been arrested. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #69

The big clue is that you saw the gun Recursion Jan 2013 #75

Not Sure That's An Accurate Statement. TinkerTot55 Jan 2013 #157

I don't know; good point. (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #160

I also think the mall shooter is seen on a surveilance tape deutsey Jan 2013 #300

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion Generic Other Jan 2013 #79

You know Holmes used that to jail an anti-WWI protestor, right? Recursion Jan 2013 #81

Hmmmm Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #86

"He is a man openly carrying a "hunting rifle" where the only available targets are people" NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #91

His only other stop could have been the gun store loose wheel Jan 2013 #128

The guy needs some good parody photos. caseymoz Jan 2013 #93

I would consider anyone sulphurdunn Jan 2013 #94

Another of the what-if scenarios matt819 Jan 2013 #98

This was my comment on the Raw Story article about it: DFW Jan 2013 #101

+10,000 djean111 Jan 2013 #116

I wish I could rec this post a million times a million. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #109

You can't yell "Fire" in a theater. Beartracks Jan 2013 #110

You have my vote. I, too, would leave the scene immediately and call 911 Hekate Jan 2013 #119

It is not paranoid or an over reaction to run and hide when someone carries an 1monster Jan 2013 #124

At the very least I will inform the store they have lost a customer. Stores are privately owned appleannie1 Jan 2013 #132

Would rec more than once if I could War Horse Jan 2013 #135

Good post. I clearly understand your valid point that maybe the kill is a crazed killer about ladjf Jan 2013 #137

He brought it in to "educate" ???BULLSHIT! Robyn66 Jan 2013 #149

I read your story both times you posted it. IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #152

I feel like a real dork repeating it Robyn66 Jan 2013 #156

He is a domestic terrorist SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #251

ABSOLUTELY! Robyn66 Jan 2013 #253

A Bully and a Jerk lolly Jan 2013 #279

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #283

Boycott JC Penny's UNTIL They Prohibit OPEN CARRY in ALL of Their Stores!!! triplepoint Jan 2013 #154

Out in the Open Cedric the Clam Jan 2013 #155

You nailed it! lunatica Jan 2013 #159

If this happens again &ALL patrons leave the store until he does,profits will dictate policy/boycott judesedit Jan 2013 #165

You made the point that I made on a companion post Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #167

Ida I agree with you 100% life long demo Jan 2013 #173

JC Penney's should have showed him the door Politicalboi Jan 2013 #189

Intimidating and Scaring The Shit Out of otohara Jan 2013 #199

I couldn't agree more, Ida! pacalo Jan 2013 #202

When I worked as a bartender, I could forbid customers Cleita Jan 2013 #205

A simple solution: Contact JC Penny's and tell them that you and your kids will not shop in a store FSogol Jan 2013 #221

I wonder if I can walk into a JC Penney adieu Jan 2013 #222

And he really does seem to be on the edge of a violent rampage: pnwmom Jan 2013 #235

I don't care. xmas74 Jan 2013 #236

If this guy had walked into the store.... llmart Jan 2013 #238

He has an old My Space Account Look here and bkkyosemite Jan 2013 #250

IdaBriggs - here is his myspace account pipewrench Jan 2013 #264

If this guy had been on a deranged mission deutsey Jan 2013 #301

This person wanted to intimidate and it's sad he was allowed to. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #277

At best this guy is a swaggering half wit Warpy Jan 2013 #286

I am curious about who this man was, what his motivation was, & how the photos got to the HiPointDem Jan 2013 #287

You people just don't understand Semtex Jan 2013 #289

Oh, good grief! Please comment on JC Penney's Facebook page re: Gun Guy IdaBriggs Jan 2013 #295

Jcpenney is now a dangerous place to shop MellonCollie11 Jan 2013 #297

I hope their liability insurance is a hefty one MellonCollie11 Jan 2013 #298