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bvar22

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77. "nothing the bill provides for is worse than what was done before" ... Oh REALLY???

Thu Dec 15, 2011, 02:00 PM

Dec 2011

The two examples you offered were Declared Wars against other Countries with Identifiable Armies.
The GOAL of these Declared Wars was Tangible and Obtainable:
Defeat the Organized Army of the Enemy on the Battlefield, and Occupy the capitol and government of the enemy.

Extending these questionable War Time Exclusions to include undeclared WARS against a Tactic or any other intangible
is an unprecedented Drastic Deviation from ANYTHING that has happened in the short history of the USA.

Please offer to us a one sentence GOAL of the War on Terror so that we may all know when we have WON.

Were you as supportive of Bush-the-Lesser and the Republicans when they grabbed these Supra-Constitutional Powers for the Unitary Executive?

I wasn't THEN,
and I'm not now.
What was WRONG under BUSH,
is just as WRONG today.

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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I'd Like To Apologize To DU... [View all] WillyT Dec 2011 OP

If you had posted a single positive thing about the President geek tragedy Dec 2011 #1

Well, he might want to apologize to the truth, for so often mangling and destroying it. nt TheWraith Dec 2011 #3

OMG, my fingers were mere seconds from typing something similar Number23 Dec 2011 #7

And next week it will be yet another exercise in ott jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #15

I see DeathToTheOil Dec 2011 #31

You said it. secondwind Dec 2011 #92

OP gets small props for packaging the same "I don't like the POTUS" message in a different wrapper. CakeGrrl Dec 2011 #115

You Mean Voting For Him Wasn't Enough ??? WillyT Dec 2011 #9

You had an accountability moment in '08 noise Dec 2011 #10

No. It required more. Jakes Progress Dec 2011 #43

yep because every democratic president since the begining of the country has okieinpain Dec 2011 #67

Well. It's good to see that you finally understand. Jakes Progress Dec 2011 #95

dang it i forgot the sarcasm thingy okieinpain Dec 2011 #133

me too. Jakes Progress Dec 2011 #134

That was naive. randome Dec 2011 #59

are you keeping track? nt G_j Dec 2011 #70

Obama does something, Outrage comes out ... Never a Miscommunication. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #73

3 Big Positives: Lilly Ledbetter, DADT repeal, two seemingly solid SC justices... ihavenobias Dec 2011 #90

Bingo! The winner. The OP has NEVER posted ANYTHING positive about President Obama. nt bluestate10 Dec 2011 #108

Re-#Occupy begins the 17th. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #2

+100000! SammyWinstonJack Dec 2011 #4

Can we look forward to the Obama 2012 DUers UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #33

wtf? Capn Sunshine Dec 2011 #111

I meant the ones who post here. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2011 #112

To be fair, we all hoped to see the president truly stand up against this egregious Bush era sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #5

The President and his secret panel noise Dec 2011 #8

I did not know that Brittany Spears was a DUer MattBaggins Dec 2011 #16

I didn't either, can you point her out? Not a fan, but sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #101

Nah not you MattBaggins Dec 2011 #109

Lol, yes, I remember that ~ sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #110

Correction....they demand our unconditional trust. ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #102

Actually the person you are refering to who was killed might well still be alive cstanleytech Dec 2011 #88

Actually he wasn't fleeing, he was living in a country with a government that has proven itself sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #119

If anyone is telling you he is guilty its him in the many videos he kept filming cstanleytech Dec 2011 #120

Turn himself for what? Do people who have not been charged with any crime, generally just walk into sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #121

Actually you are right cstanleytech Dec 2011 #122

Actually ProSense Dec 2011 #6

I had a friend tell me if he did not veto this Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #12

At THIS Point... If The President Signs It, It May Be Decided By The Supreme Court... But... WillyT Dec 2011 #13

Please explain 'why' and 'what' in the bill would be decided by the Supreme Court. Tx4obama Dec 2011 #35

Certainly not someone sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #69

I read a lovely article on it earlier today. Mojorabbit Dec 2011 #84

Which could very well be what he wants since if he opposed it the onus would be on him cstanleytech Dec 2011 #89

Apology accepted. But don't let it happen again. styersc Dec 2011 #11

Good gracious. jefferson_dem Dec 2011 #14

And You Call Yourself A... WillyT Dec 2011 #19

Zee mask is off zee monster a simple pattern Dec 2011 #17

The true nature of the beast......rare footage indeed...thanks Magoo48 Dec 2011 #78

Welcome to the under-the-bus club! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #18

Proud Member !!! WillyT Dec 2011 #20

pretty soon ignore will be back and it wont be so much of an endurance feat xiamiam Dec 2011 #23

:) WillyT Dec 2011 #24

+1 Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #37

Here ya go! hifiguy Dec 2011 #48

Thank You Kindly Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #53

I always counted you as a member....I was surprised you ever counted yourself among the tpsbmam Dec 2011 #41

The 'my president, right or wrong' crowd is definitely riding in the bus, I prefer under the bus. RKP5637 Dec 2011 #71

How about some Teddy Roosevelt? Mnpaul Dec 2011 #105

Yep, I love it too, it's excellent and very appropriate. IMO we should always question the RKP5637 Dec 2011 #106

I'm seriously considering getting a tattoo of Javaman Dec 2011 #51

I can't wait for election season to officially begin...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #21

I Feel Your Pain... WillyT Dec 2011 #22

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I'm pretty sure those "critics" will silence themselves...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #27

What do you expect to happen? joshcryer Dec 2011 #29

= "I have no substantive rebuttal to your OP." nt Bonobo Dec 2011 #34

Why? Can you say honestly you will vote in that election? Bluenorthwest Dec 2011 #45

LOL... SidDithers Dec 2011 #46

La La La La La .... LiberalLovinLug Dec 2011 #83

Hotlink fail... SidDithers Dec 2011 #85

He who lives in mirrorless houses……. 12AngryBorneoWildmen Dec 2011 #47

"...the President ... is an ignorant and bigoted fool" rinse, repeat. and repeat. and repeat. dionysus Dec 2011 #63

I've been there WillyT slay Dec 2011 #25

Think a lot of people thought the veto threat was to protect people, rather than executive power. DirkGently Dec 2011 #28

The best way to protect civil rights is to avoid war bhikkhu Dec 2011 #30

It declares America a part of the "battlefield" MedleyMisty Dec 2011 #40

No worries, mate pscot Dec 2011 #54

"nothing the bill provides for is worse than what was done before" ... Oh REALLY??? bvar22 Dec 2011 #77

That may be the worst defense for FDR's internment of Japanese-Americans onenote Dec 2011 #80

....And your post may be the Worst Strawman EVER posted at DU. bvar22 Dec 2011 #94

It is sad that I have to come to the defence of FDR even to another ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #104

Comparing FDR, a legally elected president, ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #113

NO, WillyT! Zorra Dec 2011 #32

So much for closing Gitmo Jim_Shorts Dec 2011 #36

Great post malaise Dec 2011 #38

Great post, WillyT MissDeeds Dec 2011 #39

"Make No Mistake: I pledge to never use these powers to imprison Americans MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #42

And job creators. Jakes Progress Dec 2011 #44

Free WillyT! slackmaster Dec 2011 #49

I hear ya boomerbust Dec 2011 #50

No need... welcome to the real Underground! fascisthunter Dec 2011 #52

I WANT MY IGNORE FEATURE BACK PLEASE n/t sharp_stick Dec 2011 #55

FYI, it's back! go into a users profile and the ignore button is back. dionysus Dec 2011 #60

Wow! I didn't know that you could be unquestionably true to Democratic principles and post this. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2011 #56

When do we get the ignore feature installed on DU3? Ian David Dec 2011 #57

it's back.. open up a posters profile and there's an ignore option. dionysus Dec 2011 #61

Thanks! n/t Ian David Dec 2011 #64

i've been told the button is there but non functional yet.. hope i didn't get your hopes up. dionysus Dec 2011 #76

Good Lord! Read the actual bill as passed! Unca Jim Dec 2011 #58

I did read the bill "as passed" SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #81

the melodrama.. runs deep. dionysus Dec 2011 #62

I deeply regret not emigrating when I had opportunities in my 20s and 30s Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2011 #65

the audacity! nt G_j Dec 2011 #66

make that unionworks Dec 2011 #68

This slipped between sulphurdunn Dec 2011 #72

Yup, he gave up any chance to be great and settled for "marginally better than them" mistertrickster Dec 2011 #74

The FDR who illegally rounded up and imprisoned tens of thousands of Americans NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #82

Could you imagine what DU would be like if FDR were president today... SidDithers Dec 2011 #93

A lot of us wouldn't have time to worry about posting on the internet mistertrickster Dec 2011 #99

I knew someone would mention that. Apples to oranges. mistertrickster Dec 2011 #98

Pearl Harbor did not justify illegally imprisoning over 100,000 Japanese Americans NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #107

Of course . . . I'm not arguing that it was justified. mistertrickster Dec 2011 #116

And some of (or more likely, a lot of) the people at Guantanamo are actually terrorists. NYC Liberal Dec 2011 #117

My point was not about the indefinite detention. It was about Obama blowing his chance to be great mistertrickster Dec 2011 #118

I read it as exempting U.S. citizens from being required to be detained indefintely mvd Dec 2011 #75

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& 2nd-ed. nt mistertrickster Dec 2011 #100

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CERN likely did find it. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #97

How could Anatos Dec 2011 #124

I resent that statement. RoccoR5955 Dec 2011 #125

Dennis Kucinich Anatos Dec 2011 #126

I believe that you should look at Kucinich a bit closer. RoccoR5955 Dec 2011 #127

Too long, but I read it anyway. Anatos Dec 2011 #128

Addendum Anatos Dec 2011 #130

A few points. RoccoR5955 Dec 2011 #131

First of all Anatos Dec 2011 #132

Here's a quote for you: RoccoR5955 Dec 2011 #135

Right back at ya, Guy. Anatos Dec 2011 #136

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I have tears in my eyes Generic Other Dec 2011 #103

KR Excellent post WillyT to the consternation of many. eom ooglymoogly Dec 2011 #114

Go cry in your soup in a corner Anatos Dec 2011 #123

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