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NoOneMan

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3. So the production of greenie stuff doesn't take energy & resources?
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jan 2013

Sure, you can create jobs making green infrastructure, but that production will contribute to our precarious situation. These products roll off the line with "carbon debt".

1) At what point will the reduction in the carbon intensity of our energy (presuming we ever get there after the massive amount of production a "green shift" requires) translate to an actual reduction in global emissions? How do we know this point will ever come, especially if it equalizes and increases wealth across the nation, thereby increasing aggregate consumption and standards of living?

2) By expanding the net available energy with green sources, how do we know our dirty sources will not still be used or exported to be used elsewhere?

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What if there was equality and the economy boomed... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #1
Developing clean alternative energy sources bettyellen Jan 2013 #2
So the production of greenie stuff doesn't take energy & resources? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #3
Ok, let's stay dependent on foreign oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #4
What difference does it really make? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5
you're right. we should pollute the world even more and maybe have some more wars for oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #7
That seems to be the case regardless NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
Great response bettyellen! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2013 #13
tks Lisa! bettyellen Jan 2013 #14
Though its a great straw man NoOneMan Jan 2013 #18
So...you're for keeping impoverished people impoverished? leftstreet Jan 2013 #6
Im for asking difficult questions NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8
The ecosystem is harmed by profit, not by meeting needs leftstreet Jan 2013 #11
The ecosystem is harmed via production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
You're talking about Capitalism leftstreet Jan 2013 #19
No, I am talking about production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20
But I agreed. Production for profit is unsustainable n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
Production for any reason at this rate is unsustainable. NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
What 'rate?' leftstreet Jan 2013 #23
A rate that produces 30 gigatons of CO2 emissions a year NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24
Money is meant to flow and it's been allowed to stagnate in too few hands for over thirty years. freshwest Jan 2013 #10
How dare you-wanting to punish SUCCESS!!! YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #16
Depends on what one's definition of success is. Serial killers are a success, if it's by body count. freshwest Jan 2013 #17
Octo - Great post! Two things to add socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #15
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