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NoOneMan

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12. The ecosystem is harmed via production
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jan 2013

All production requires energy and resources that are extracted from the natural environment, and it all produces waste that the environment cannot evolve fast enough to utilize for biological productivity (so it creates imbalances that cause death). Simply put, sharing or hoarding the exploits of the earth still requires that the earth is exploited.


what happens to the environment if a couple billion people want a flat screen tv

No, Im asking what happens if 8 billion of them actually get them, along with a house, a fridge and a car in the garage. Well, at 400 ppm CO2 and mass disparity, its a pretty easy answer if we equalize our standard of living across the globe: planetary-wide extinction level event. Frankly, we are headed close to that already, with all our inequality.


why is the environment near such an overwhelming fucked up crisis when so few people actually own tvs

Because it took billions of years for the earth to evolve to the point where all organisms' processes and waste contribute harmoniously to a delicately balanced system, and we are very quickly, very drastically altering the landscape to the point where the system can no longer function as it has evolved to. This is happening regardless of our malevolence of benevolence; this process does not ask us what our intentions are.


PROFIT

This is magical thinking--we cannot simply produce without profit and negate the effects of production on a delicate system. Especially if GDP remains flat or increases (or do you suggest we scale back GDP). We make too much and consume too much. Hell, 5% of earth's population uses 20% of the energy....spread that level of consumption equally across the world without profit and its not going to go well

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What if there was equality and the economy boomed... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #1
Developing clean alternative energy sources bettyellen Jan 2013 #2
So the production of greenie stuff doesn't take energy & resources? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #3
Ok, let's stay dependent on foreign oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #4
What difference does it really make? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5
you're right. we should pollute the world even more and maybe have some more wars for oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #7
That seems to be the case regardless NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
Great response bettyellen! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2013 #13
tks Lisa! bettyellen Jan 2013 #14
Though its a great straw man NoOneMan Jan 2013 #18
So...you're for keeping impoverished people impoverished? leftstreet Jan 2013 #6
Im for asking difficult questions NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8
The ecosystem is harmed by profit, not by meeting needs leftstreet Jan 2013 #11
The ecosystem is harmed via production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
You're talking about Capitalism leftstreet Jan 2013 #19
No, I am talking about production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20
But I agreed. Production for profit is unsustainable n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
Production for any reason at this rate is unsustainable. NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
What 'rate?' leftstreet Jan 2013 #23
A rate that produces 30 gigatons of CO2 emissions a year NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24
Money is meant to flow and it's been allowed to stagnate in too few hands for over thirty years. freshwest Jan 2013 #10
How dare you-wanting to punish SUCCESS!!! YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #16
Depends on what one's definition of success is. Serial killers are a success, if it's by body count. freshwest Jan 2013 #17
Octo - Great post! Two things to add socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #15
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