Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
20. No, I am talking about production
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jan 2013

Prior to the inception of capitalism, this was also a problem. Production requires resources and generates waste that impacts the ecosystem. The difference now is that it has reached such a massive scale since coal/oil (due to tapping in vast stored energy), that the exponential growth has created an unsustainable level of degradation. Capitalism is not necessary for this.


Capitalism is spewing out its last bitter, vile breath and it's time to move on.

Our system is evolving to consume energy more efficiently to facilitate growth. The flaws of capitalism produce disparity, which throttles growth. The system is recognizing these changes and evolving, via liberalism, to produce a system that can increase the velocity of energy at faster rates. If anything, the evolution of the economic system will hurry production, as the past evolutions have as well (or the system would not allow the reforms to be implemented).


There are other ways to meet the needs of humanity and the environment

Are we going to be pulling hybrid cars and solar panels out of fairies' asses? Are we going to create magic wands? Explain in scientific terms, without ideology, how we can uncouple ecological destruction from production.


On Edit: Awesome way to pull a quote out of context. I said "we cannot simply produce without profit and negate the effects of production". IOW, selling items at the cost of the resources and work involved (no profit) still necessitates the resources are mined and the energy is consumed. That was a very disingenuous quote pick.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

What if there was equality and the economy boomed... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #1
Developing clean alternative energy sources bettyellen Jan 2013 #2
So the production of greenie stuff doesn't take energy & resources? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #3
Ok, let's stay dependent on foreign oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #4
What difference does it really make? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5
you're right. we should pollute the world even more and maybe have some more wars for oil! bettyellen Jan 2013 #7
That seems to be the case regardless NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
Great response bettyellen! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2013 #13
tks Lisa! bettyellen Jan 2013 #14
Though its a great straw man NoOneMan Jan 2013 #18
So...you're for keeping impoverished people impoverished? leftstreet Jan 2013 #6
Im for asking difficult questions NoOneMan Jan 2013 #8
The ecosystem is harmed by profit, not by meeting needs leftstreet Jan 2013 #11
The ecosystem is harmed via production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
You're talking about Capitalism leftstreet Jan 2013 #19
No, I am talking about production NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20
But I agreed. Production for profit is unsustainable n/t leftstreet Jan 2013 #21
Production for any reason at this rate is unsustainable. NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
What 'rate?' leftstreet Jan 2013 #23
A rate that produces 30 gigatons of CO2 emissions a year NoOneMan Jan 2013 #24
Money is meant to flow and it's been allowed to stagnate in too few hands for over thirty years. freshwest Jan 2013 #10
How dare you-wanting to punish SUCCESS!!! YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #16
Depends on what one's definition of success is. Serial killers are a success, if it's by body count. freshwest Jan 2013 #17
Octo - Great post! Two things to add socialindependocrat Jan 2013 #15
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Inequality Is Holding Bac...»Reply #20