Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

2naSalit

(99,624 posts)
24. I agree with about
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jan 2013

40%..? of what you're saying. There are ways to change this narrative by using it to "flip" it so to speak. If a sizable group of people (and it would probably be best if it happened in this country early on) were to lead by example by way of showing that they are living a much more enjoyable lifestyle by eschewing the norm, others will want it too. Look at how PCs and iphones spread like wildfire. Showing that you have achieved the ideal by way of paradigm shift, you can win a large portion of the world population over in a hurry, similar to starting a religion that promises some coveted set of conditions. (I use the religion example based on a comment a friend once expressed and I can't find a good argument against: "If you want to gain control over a large population in a hurry, start a religion&quot

So onward, I believe that a "build it and they will come" philosophy could be put to good use here. Lots of people want to make this change, but the corporate world is not allowing it by way of funds/resource hoarding and sold out politicians. There has to be a way to circumvent this, with enough individuals this could happen. People are interesting animals, if you can show them a way to find fulfillment, they will make the leap of faith to get it, especially if the leap isn't too far, and it doesn't have to be. But this low road, gutter dwelling mindset, fear-based mentality and nay-saying has to be left behind.

Sure it will take some resources to get the ball rolling but far less than we would use in a month if enough of the population were involved. Those who refuse to participate can be left to fend for themselves when they find themselves outside the new norm. They can participate by being those who become the population reduction.

I think that the lead by example part is a major component. I believe that there are enough people who only need a road map. There are so many who already have nothing left to lose but the actual function of living... these can be the first helped and the first to show that there is another way to have a fulfilling life that isn't involved in pressing harder on the throttle to get to the edge of the cliff. Other nations will want to do the same or make similar changes in how they go about life in order to preserve life, especially if they see that by doing so they can have a better way of life. I think that we may not be able to stifle climate change but we can improve our chances for adjusting to it and not exacerbating it.

The greatest challenge is convincing enough people to participate.

Anything is possible, it only takes willpower.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

No, we can't continue growing. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #1
You waste enough H2O brushing your teeth to water a village leftstreet Jan 2013 #2
Beg pardon? derby378 Jan 2013 #16
To be fair... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #20
Domestic water use is a fairly small part of the overall amount muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #25
I was referring more to what it takes to bring it to the tap NoOneMan Jan 2013 #27
Another good argument against Tar Sand development Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #32
Argue until you are blue in the face NoOneMan Jan 2013 #33
yup Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #34
I agree. I really think it is too late. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #56
Speak for yourself TxRider Jan 2013 #52
Way to go! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #54
I live on a community well pscot Jan 2013 #17
Succinctly done. immoderate Jan 2013 #5
"and their footprint" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #9
When I had presentations.... NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #13
The global average standard of living can increase, but... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #3
How? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #6
You're half right pscot Jan 2013 #18
Americans gave up healthcare so Canadians could have it? leftstreet Jan 2013 #29
Where did that come from? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #41
You suggested it leftstreet Jan 2013 #43
Aside from your strange Canada/America example, it very well mean this NoOneMan Jan 2013 #55
Check this out regarding global emissions.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #30
It's not the size of our economy, it's our income distribution that's the problem. pampango Jan 2013 #59
I'm not sure why growth and equality are lumped together. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #4
Can they not be? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #7
Aye, there's the rub. rrneck Jan 2013 #8
Sure, once our CEOs and shareholders lose their entitlement mentality Recursion Jan 2013 #10
This level of profit promotes disparity, and disparity throttles growth NoOneMan Jan 2013 #12
i'll be the buzzkill datasuspect Jan 2013 #11
First of all 2naSalit Jan 2013 #14
These ideas can't do anything for the global situation unless implemented en masse NoOneMan Jan 2013 #15
I agree with about 2naSalit Jan 2013 #24
"If a sizable group of people..." NoOneMan Jan 2013 #28
I doubt we can do a thing about climate change at this point. JVS Jan 2013 #19
So all this talk about equality and making a better world... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #22
New technologies and new expansion? cbrer Jan 2013 #21
Ok, the magic of technology NoOneMan Jan 2013 #23
Tangible Proof? cbrer Jan 2013 #36
Yes, like a non-faith-based reason to continue our pursuit of "progress" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #37
You think I meant religion? cbrer Jan 2013 #38
"Technology got us to this place." NoOneMan Jan 2013 #39
You effectively shoot down every suggestion cbrer Jan 2013 #40
Sure did NoOneMan Jan 2013 #42
"bring civilization back to the drawing board immediately" cbrer Jan 2013 #44
Yes, and then we get a reboot (whatever that means) NoOneMan Jan 2013 #47
with technology and good governance we can samsingh Jan 2013 #26
A good government will make climate change illegal? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #31
agreed samsingh Jan 2013 #35
Human need vs human greed YoungDemCA Jan 2013 #45
Go vegan. n/t flvegan Jan 2013 #46
Hunted meat probably has a lower footprint than farmed foods NoOneMan Jan 2013 #48
On an individual basis? Stipulated. flvegan Jan 2013 #49
About 78 billion tons of carbon is lost from our soil from agriculture NoOneMan Jan 2013 #51
Can billionaires prosper while kicking global warming? daleo Jan 2013 #50
Resistance to the change originates in a growth obsessed system... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #53
Average people don't have a lot of say in these matters daleo Jan 2013 #57
Climate change should take priority over growth and equality. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #58
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Can we achieve growth &am...»Reply #24