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rrneck

(17,671 posts)
50. Right.
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jan 2013

"Ban this gun and we'll make one just different enough to dodge the law but still able to do the same thing."

Regulating the generic capabilities of the gun are the logical approach to the problem. That's what Feinstein's law is trying to do without admitting it. She wants to make a semi automatic firearm shoot more slowly and the operator to have to reload more often. She's working on two of the big three characteristics: caliber, capacity, and rate of fire.

Since I don't know which guns she wants to specifically ban I can't say for sure, but I am guessing the ones she wants to ban are the ones that can be easily redesigned around her criteria (or that look really scary to her constituents). As for the others, by requiring either a fixed magazine or a ten round limit on the gun, she wants to turn the remaining rifles into single shot guns or as close to it as she can get. And that's just fine, but she needs to come out and admit it. I'm obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer and I can see what's going on, and there are a whole lot of people with a lot bigger bully pulpit who will make her proposals look as underhanded and feckless as they are.

The problem with regulating the function of firearms any more than they already are is that those regulations will be either easy to circumvent or will negatively impact the bulk of the firearms made in the world today. If you want to limit magazine capacity, fine, the bad guy will just bring more magazines to his mass shooting. Those limits won't hinder him at all, but will add bureaucratic headaches to legislators, manufacturers, law enforcement and gun owners at the cost of precious political capital. If you want to regulate rate of fire you have to step down from semi automatic to single shot fire. It's foolish to try to legislate anything in between by making a gun hard to use. Anybody that owns a gun simply won't go for it and they will see it for what it is - an effort to regulate them out of existence.

But let's say she gets her bill passed as is. Handguns and rifles will still be able to shoot ten times rather quickly unless she can ban all semi autos. What do you think the chances are that someone will shoot a bunch of people with post ban guns? Two guns is twenty rounds. The solution to all that complicated legislation is a New York reload. Just bring more guns. How many clusters of dead people is a horrible tragedy? What will that law have accomplished? Fewer mass shooting casualties? Maybe, but it seems that if a goof like me can think his way around the law, a real bad guy won't have any problem. And while keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them is always a good idea, the tighter you make gun laws the more likely you will keep somebody who might legitimately need a gun from getting one, and they will suffer for it. But you won't likely hear about those people in the news, unless our political enemies want to use them to generate political capital for themselves.

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That makes more sense. rrneck Jan 2013 #1
absolutely dsc Jan 2013 #4
What side track hysteria is trying to put "looks" into the conversation? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #5
I can't speak for rrneck, but when I hear the vague phrase "military style" as something petronius Jan 2013 #10
Lowest common denominator thinking then? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #20
This one ran a little long. rrneck Jan 2013 #31
That makes more sense - sort of Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #49
Right. rrneck Jan 2013 #50
Thanks for explaining. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #51
Yes, it is that. rrneck Jan 2013 #54
Nobody give a rat's ass about looks kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #21
Well y'know... rrneck Jan 2013 #32
My attitude toward gun nutters is only going to get shittier at this point. So kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #52
Whatever. rrneck Jan 2013 #53
I say give them Muskets Politicalboi Jan 2013 #2
If a musket is not good enough give them a single shot BB with lever. Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #14
Yep. They are so obsessed with what the Founding Fathers intended. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #22
Well done! Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #3
Technically speaking AR15s and all semi-autos recock to be fired again and meet your definition. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #6
actually I think it can, certainly at the state level dsc Jan 2013 #9
Its looks like support for an AWB is slipping away so I cant see even more strict laws passing. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #15
I would support Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #19
Last I saw a ban on semi-autos polled higher than renewing the AWB Recursion Jan 2013 #27
I di not want to go there Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #11
They are not regulated nearly heavily enough, given how kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #23
Bolt action rifles, pump action shotguns Paulie Jan 2013 #13
Good luck with that. I don't see any real support for that type of restriction. aikoaiko Jan 2013 #17
Not from gun owners for sure Paulie Jan 2013 #18
There's plenty of support. Gun nutters are a minority and kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #24
The majority may not be strong enough to pull it aikoaiko Jan 2013 #28
Define what it does, not the trivial technical details of it's design. baldguy Jan 2013 #7
can you please define Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #12
Tracer rounds for example nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #25
I hope you were not calling me dumb Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #33
Yup, I want to use tracers in high fire areas nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #35
we have had some Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #38
So there you have it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #40
It's English. Do you need it in words less than two syllables? baldguy Jan 2013 #26
try shooting Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #34
Guns that can fire that fast are already highly regulated and restricted obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #46
well go for it Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #8
That makes significantly more sense (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #16
since the pro-gun crowd have samsingh Jan 2013 #29
sorry but they are legal Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #36
And demiled nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #37
nope Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #39
And demiled nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #41
actually I was talking about both Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #43
And they are highly discouraged nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #44
Full Auto NFA weapons do not need demilled. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #47
Have you seen a B-24 liberator? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48
I still can't for the life of me grasp... jberryhill Jan 2013 #30
It isn't that complicated to come up with an effective law. jmg257 Jan 2013 #42
Bingo. Simple, effective laws Recursion Jan 2013 #45
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